bulletbob

 Gizzard Shad-. they make SPECTACULAR  cut  bait... Browns, rainbows. lakers will  swallow them with abandon right on the bottom, if they see it..

BIG Catfish , bullheads,  and stripers too,  in lakes where they exist.. They stink when cut, but the scent draws predators, and they hit chunks readily
 

bob

   Minn Kota  Weedless Wedge prop, brand new never used still in original package.
     Fits-- All Terrain/Camo/Endura/Endura max/Endura Pro/Maxxum transom/Powerdrive/Traxxis/Edge..
 $10 takes it... bob

 PM here or email 
[email protected]

 put them on wood if possible, although the black top won't really  hurt  them. Worst case they get a temporary  "flat spot" that goes away after driving on them a few miles when the weather warms up in spring.
. Best idea for ANY trailer is to simply cover the tires, keeping the sunlight off of them.. The ultra violet  radiation from the sun , as well as ozone causes  the "dry rot" cracking that occurs in trailer tires,, There are other factors as well, but they are the big ones.. Keep the tires  covered up when not in use and they will last a LOT longer... Some circular  plywood cut outs, or even just a couple proper size pieces of cardboard will work fine. bob

 Just wondering if its even worthwhile these days.. I used to have spectacular laker jigging  at this time of year in the Bluff area years ago, but it fell off drastically in that area  past several years.. Is it worth a trip anymore, or should I concentrate   further north, along points etc?... Not needing specifics really, just wondering if there are fishable numbers  of lakers left  in those deep flats around the Bluffs... bob

 Furuno is the unit that all the party boat/.charter boat  captains in NJ used for years and years.. Very dependable  commercial grade equipment that lasts.. My Garmin 250 C is a nice color unit, 500 watts RMS and was all I needed.. Problem is even though it was lightly used and well taken care of, it crapped out for no apparent reason after a few seasons use.. Had to send it back to garmin, they rebuilt it for a good deal of money, it lasted another season, needed work again, and they no longer support  that unit so now  its junk.. I like Garmin when it works.. Good performance at a reasonable price, but they seem a lot more interested in selling new equipment as opposed to keeping their older stuff working for its owners.. bob

 I dunno, does anyone really need more meat?.. Is it that important?. Finger Lakes trout and salmon are typically good size fish, and   1 decent bow along with a brown, landlock, laker  here and there  is more than enough for a few meals, unless you are feeding a big family. I mean if having more fish flesh on the table is imperative, there are lots of other possibilities. panfish, bass, pike, walleyes etc.. the rainbows  can spawn and reproduce why start grabbing up more to fillet or smoke?.. bob

 They might be keying on an abundant  food source in the lake and not much interested in any other  offerings.. next time out, bring along some plain old earthworms.. Everyone uses minnows or small plastic jigs for them these days, but nothing beats plain old worms for perch, shallow or deep.. Worms have saved a lot of trips for me when everything else failed. If using jigs try a little piece of worm on it.. bob

 Here's the formula-

"Boat weight is the most important consideration to take into account when choosing a trolling motor. A beginning rule of thumb is that you want a minimum of 2 lbs of thrust for every 100lbs. For example, if you have a 3000lb boat, fully loaded, then the calculation is (3000/100) * 2 = 60lbs of thrust. When calculating boat weight, make sure you calculate the heaviest potential weight which includes a boat fully loaded with gear, fuel and the maximum number of passengers".  
 

 I suppose it depends on what you are doing... If you are in heavy seas with the  40 mph wind blowing you away from your launch area  you are in trouble..
  The electric troller  is better than nothing but not much.. Calm water it will be ok, until the batteries go dead.. 

I only have a 17 footer but I feel very secure with a little   4 HP 2 stroke
or even  my 2 hp  2 stroke..

thats how I would go, and they are really cheap in the off season $225-275  will get you a decent  used 2-3-4 HP gas 2 stroke that would be way better than the electric.. You might only make 1-2 knots in the wind, but it will push you against a strong wind... The electric?.. Not so sure, even thoughyou are well within the weight guidelines..

Electrics are for changing  position in small areas  while fishing, and holding position against the wind in a boat that size... The excel at that.. They aren't really meant to push a heavy boat with a dead main engine  5 miles back to the ramp in heavy wind.. The  small gas motor  will do it quite slowly,  but it will   do it... Ask me how I know!.... bob

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t-s&p=perch+walleye+hybrid#id=1&vid=93dde4ab312d3ad7b29772b6d68c698a&action=click

 here's a youtube video of one, just like yours

 I would never consider entering ANY tournament, for any fish.. ever.   However, and awful lot of guys love them, and fish everyone they can..

 PILES of dead bass, BIg dead bass, floating  or lying motionless on bottom, near the weigh in/release area.. Happens at every bass tournament, yet each year, they are bigger and bigger with more guys  entering

 I feel the same way about Trout/walleye/Catfish/Perch tourneys, not to mention Tuna/Striper/Fluke/ Marlin /Swords in salt water..

 As the late great fishing author Frank woolner once wrote..

 "Fishing should not be a  competitive sport-It should be a contemplative sport"..

  I concur 100% .... bob

8 hours ago, kayslay said:

What about the baitfish that live in there year round? I'm not a scientist, with no data I chose to let those fish go. To each their own...lot of nice clean fish to be had on the downrigger.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Lake Ontario United mobile app
 

Understood.. No argument but remember, every spring fall and even into winter, guys troll the south end of the lake with flatlines and planers, and keep and eat what they catch.. They troll so close to the sewage treatment   outflow,  they could hit it with a cast.. bob

1 hour ago, Gill-T said:

That fish hasn’t been up the creek long enough to probably be impacted by the contamination 

 absolutely.. Not only that. its running, fast moving water thats been flooded and had the bottom  rocks sediments scoured countless times... Most of the crap from the gun factory is out in the lake, buried deep under sediment, where it should probably stay.. I would have NO problem eating anything out of fall creek... bob

 Sturgeon?  40+ pound carp? Big Laker or Brown that became entangled with 75 pound of floating /suspended junk/garbage/tree branch etc?
 

  Similar   scenarios  to your  have happened to me many times over the decades.. I always envision it as a potential state/world record fish that "got away"... bob

 Look, its always worth a shot, so don't let my opinion sway you very much.. I just don't do near as well   at the end of a very warm september, as I do at the end of a cool october.. Actually for me personally, November is my best bass month by far, and always has been, BUT, I fish mostly Smallmouths, not Largemouths, and they do like cooler water.. Right at this time, if i wanted Largemouths out of Keuka i would fish  weed edges from say 10-20 feet at the north end with big live shiners, and leave the plastic worms at home...  Smallmouths I would fish rocky points with crayfish colored  jigs  in 20 foot or so of water... bob

 9/25/19-

70 degrees f at pen yan water treatment plant..   I personally don't like sept for bass in any of the finger lakes... They are much more active in late oct.. That water is still very warm. Its been a very warm sept..... bob

On 8/23/2019 at 4:59 PM, Billy H said:

Thank you.

 Look, it might make sense to try it once or twice.. Things might have changed.. I have not bothered fishing for several years there as it had gotten so bad, but perhaps the gobies and mussels are more in balance now or something.. Personally, I no longer fish there, but you might discover something of which i am unaware.. Things change in these lakes...

 At the south end of Cayuga  I used to catch  gobs of big perch, big rock bass up to a foot long, BIG Bluegills and Pumpkinseeds interspersed with Really nice SMB that would hit the worms or small jigs I used for panfish.. The fishing is not like that anymore.. The  Zebra Mussels, Gobies, and a couple of large die offs have devastated the panfishing at the south end.. There are still some perch around in the fall, and I have caught them in around 10-11 feet of water, but as stated its not  like it was years ago... Personally, I would say the north end is a lot  better.. Although I am only 20 miles from Cayuga south end , I no longer fish there for panfish.. I have  switched that type of fishing to Skaneateles, although its a MUCH longer drive.. The pan  fishing at the south end of Skinny, is FAR better these days than cayuga, and in fall there are a lot of big SMB as well... Once the gobies invaded cayuga there was a large downturn in the bass and pan fishing at the south end of the lake... Its better at the north end for certain.. Its worth a try, some guys still do ok I think  , but not me. I bailed out... bob

 if you mean ice fishing you are better off at the north end.. the south end gets weird unworkable ice some years.. Jagged, pushed up into huge  filthy sheets  with huge ruts gouges and ridges..  You see  a few guys out there some years, but its not considered a good ice fishing location.. north end is MUCH better

 The town  launch is NOT donation.. Its $5, and they check  license plates..

 Its pretty shallow, but trimmed up until you  get near the buoys in the lake you should be ok

 There are always some lakers near the plant in the evening say around 6:30-7 PM, in 60-90 FOW.. Might be some smallmouth  shallower say 20-30 feet, but personally I have never done much there..  Some others may have had better luck for bass around the plant... bob

   The  tiller to remote conversion kit was crazy expensive a few years ago, and I recall having a ton of trouble locating a dealer that could get one.. It was $ 700 or something like that.. I looked recently and I couldn't even find one anywhere at any price .. If I can locate one  reasonably i will grab it, and then go and simply find a  long shaft tiller at around 25 HP as they are easy to find and far cheaper than a remote.. I have wanted  a newer cleaner motor for a while, but simply can never find one at that HP in remote steer..  Any thoughts on where the conversion kits  can be found??. bob

Well stated, and very good information.. problem is this.. A 20-25 horse 4 stroke is too heavy for this 14 foot Grumman.. not only that, but its remote steer...  So i am limited to 1 2 stroke for the 25 or HP I need.. Even a 2 stroke remote in 20-25 HP REMOTE is extremely hard to find.. I had to raise my transom a few years ago,because i needed a 20-25 HP remote steer short shaft and could NOT find one anywhere, and had to settle on a long shaft 28 HP.. Sad to say, some boats were not designed to accomodate 4 stokes.... bob

28 minutes ago, rolmops said:

The simple truth is that 2 strokes are on the way out and technician training is aimed at 4 stroke outboards. Fewer and fewer shops take in 2 strokes. At the same time there are a few million old two strokes that are alive and well and will be so for the next 50 years. I have 2 1957 35 horse Johnsons that still work just fine and unless some anti pollution law will render them useless they will probably last another 50 years.This is very common for old two strokes ,mainly because they see relatively little use. But most of those old seahorses are maintained by their owners,rusting away somewhere or thrown out by the children of the original owners. Still, there are a few older technicians left who deal mostly with old 2 strokes and have all the spare parts you might need and then some. One of those is Mayers Marina in Webster,NY. Old Bill Mayer is one of those. By just listening to the motor he can tell you what it needs. He is very proud of his 1920s and 30s collection of 2 and 4 stroke outboards, which you probably will not get to see. If you need to have a 2 stroke fixed and get a warranty on the work,he is your address to go to. Don't bother bringing a 4stroke to him for service. He does not like them.  

 Personally, i have never done much there for Bass.. others may have.. I have better luck right directly across from the plant on the west side of the lake.. mainly Smallmouth..  If you want Largemouth Bass, I would stick to the north end of the lake, but that gets fished relentlessly this time of year.. Bass boats everywhere in the early morning. and then  later in the day the jet skiers and hot rodders take over..

 I would say give it a shot .. Personally I see very few guys fishing for bass these days along the mid lake shorelines.. 95 % of fishermen I see out there these days are trolling mid lake, with a few   jigging for lakers  not far from shore in 70-100 FOW...    The lack of Bass fishermen  to my way of thinking  tells a sad story, because where there are bass, there are bass fishermen... bob