rolmops

In shallow water it usually is a bit tricky with only 3 lines.

As the boat goes over the quite close bottom the fish tend to move sideways away from perceived danger of a big dark thing just above them. This makes the straight line behind the boat less succesful, unless it is a long way behind the boat. Trolling in a curve, so that the lines go to the side of the boat instead of right behind does help. I often work with small dipsy divers on a 3 setting to get the lures away to the side of the boat

I think that this is a pontoon. Rules may be different

What you want is undisturbed water flow. The way they sit now there is turbulence of the water coming up from the bottom of the boat.

You should try to get them so that the lower surface is just a bit lower than the bottom of the boat. Looking at the picture, the small one has to come down something like an inch whereas the long  (chirp) one should go down just a bit, like a quarter inch

The weatherman predicts cloudy skies.

Smooth move? I last saw that for sale in a pharmacy. I guess it will make boaters movements easier.

I need to replace an aluminum tubing frame  on my canvas top. Is there any place near Rochester where somebody does this? Failing that, where can I order pre bent tubing?

Thank you.

Never worry, Gator, Mark has written about it already

For those who are interested, There will be a full eclipse event in Buckland park off Westfall road in Brighton. there is plenty of free parking and they will bring Food trucks.

For those who want to read about catastrophic full eclipses, there is a short story written in 1941 by Isaac Asimov about an eclipse. It is called "Nightfall". It is one of his finest works.

Now, what will you do if it the sky is full of clouds?

The biggest problem with eating eel as a delicacy is that the glass eel is served a specialty dish where one portion often contains several hundred of these tiny fish. As usual the Japanese are behind this. They appear to completely disregard the survival of any species that has fins

This weekend the bridge will open for boating,or maybe on Monday. Will the launch also be operational?

2 hours ago, Tyrrell said:

Saw this one in the Oswego river in 2020 down stream of the Phoenix launch.

looks like somebody mistook it for a lamprey

When I said upstream and headwaters I did not make myself clear enough . Sorry for that. I should have said :The swamps far upstream. For example the top end of Cayuga lake. You should also take in consideration all the man made obstacles on the way there.

1 hour ago, bulletbob said:

 I doubt there are  "fishable " numbers of eels anywhere upstate west of the Hudson river drainage.. They would have to  through the St Lawrence to get into the FL region,, and there isn't  much reason for them to come this far.. They are present in Cayuga, probably seneca as well, but you don't really hear of them being caught in any numbers this far from the salt line,, for every one caught in upstate waters, there are probably 500 caught in the tidal section of the hudson river.., Even in coastal areas, the eels typically  have no need to venture far upriver.. Ask the guys that fish the Delaware  watershed  for trout how many eels they catch,,  not many at all, although the delaware is loaded with them, they tend to stay  in transition zones and seem to prefer brackish water to all fresh water.. They can and will go far from the ocean, just not in big numbers. In NJ, the rivers were full of them, you could catch 100's in a day in salt and brackish areas.. As the water became fresher,, shallower and rockier  as you moved further up away from the  salt water line, eel numbers got much and much less, and it was always that way.. So if there is a place upstate with a lot of eels, i would be interested in hearing about it, especially because to get here, they would have to swim    hundreds of more miles inland than they really need to.   A big one was caught about 10 years back in the susquehanna  in Owego by a guy fishing at night for catfish.. it was such a rare occurrence   that it made the local paper.. If you want to catch eels,  I would say the best place in upstate NY is the Hudson river, and the closer you get to the  salt line, the more you'll catch,, Eel populations in the US have been decimated by overfishing,, mostly because people like to eat them thinly sliced as sushi/sashimi, and will pay insane prices for the  right to do so. I used to catch them by the hundreds in the salt rivers back in NJ

As far as "fishable" goes you are right. As for eel traveling not far beyond salt water, you are wrong.

When eel enter the rivers and streams as tiny glass eel they will try to go as far upstream as they can. They will travel the St.Laurens but also get up the Hudson, from there to the Mohawk and with the help of the Eerie Canal they make it into the Finger Lakes, but on their inland travels they are too small and not fishable. They love ending up in small streams and head waters where they will stay for several years, sometimes even traveling over dry land to reach their goal. (An eel has no problem surviving outside water for up to 24 hours) Eel will spend time upstream until they feel like reproducing. That urge is not dependent on age as much as physical size. When they travel back to the ocean , they come in different sizes and at that point they usually are large enough to feed on larger bait although they prefer to scavenge. once back in the ocean, they travel to the gulf stream and from there on to south bound currents that take them to the Sargosso Sea In the Caribbean where to breed and die

1 hour ago, greenboatluke said:

A little background for those interested… the DEC is studying the American Eel is because the Pacific Eel is basically extinct due to overfishing, habitat loss, etc. and the American Eel was trending the same way. The American Eel is the only species left to be studied and protected.

I teach a Marine Science elective at my school and it’s cool to show some of my students real field work. I’ve been participating for about a decade, the DEC has been researching since the early 2000s. The returns are up and down yearly, like any wild species, but the general trend over a decade is slowly rising.
Get this, if you have eaten Eel, usually in sushi, it was most likely caught as a Glass Eel in the state of Maine, then shipped to Japan where it was raised in aquaculture and then shipped back to here eat! Maine is the only place Glass Eels can be legally fished. Last numbers I saw were $2000 per lbs.

When I grew up in the Netherlands the eel was an important part of the economy and local diet. (smoked eel). They were important enough to be part of social studies in 4th and 5th grade. they were the first fish I ever caught-on a worm-. The funny thing was that 30 years later when doing a course in evolutionary development in the veterinarian school of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, my professor's thesis was on the eel. He loved talking about eel and I felt like I was back in fifth grade. Needless to say, I scored 100% on his pet subject during a test. So thanks to the eel I got an A+ and extra credit on his course.

If you know the size that you need, I would recommend a Solas prop. Agreed that they are not the greatest, but they do the job well and you probably get the best bang for your buck. I get mine from I-boats, but I'm sure they have other sales points as well.

If you are not sure about the size, then it is probably the best to buy from a place where they will allow you to try different sizes before you buy. Marina service stores often have test props. Yes you will pay more for the specific prop,but they will give you the right advice about what you need. That makes all the difference in the world.

You should be aware that a prop that has been in the water usually is non returnable.

L&M wrote on your thread that he has no comment, So I will comment for him. He is a very knowledgeable source for buying propellers and he will not push the wrong stuff on you.

Yes. I had the same thing happen to me in Olcott as well. It was a scary experience. I was afraid that the lower unit would somehow have jarred loose and caused a leak. But there was no leak and things were fine.

 I still prefer the rollers, because on most ramps I back up fast and stop, causing the boat to roll backward so I don’t have to do back up that far.

Just so I understand. Does your kicker have a steering tube? Or is that the part that you need. I had a similar problem with a tohatsu  because it did not have a steering tube. If that is your problem, then I have a solution.

It is a steering tube that clamps onto the motor bracket. They are made by powrtran  for their tailfin steering control setup. They are for sale for $120.99 +tax and shipping.

I have one that I used on my Tohatsu for one season. I am willing to sell mine for $65+shipping

I have had my best luck with tarps at Costco. They sell twin package of 12 by 16 foot tarps for about $20. When using tarps, you will find it easier to use 2 12x16s than a 12x32. It enables you to slide one over the other and make a better fit. The smaller ones also weigh less and are easier to fold and unfold. Besides, it will enable you to use them other purposes as well.

3 hours ago, fishing fireman said:

Rolmops,, where would be the best place to get a quality tarp? 

Probably online. go to Tarps now, or my tarp.com

37 minutes ago, bulletbob said:

 I have found very clean powerhead, and purchased it on ebay.. 120 psi each cyl, has carb, flywheel, stator under flywheel all intact.$350 shipped  My block is certainly able to be bored, damage not that severe..  I found a shop in auburn that would bore it for $120 which is half what I was quoted elsewhere.. So with the bore, new pistons and rings the cost would be similar to the used powerhead.....  however, now I have a ton of   spare parts including carb, flywheel stator, timing parts, linkage etc.. guy has close to 5,000 ebay sales and great feedback in selling used marine parts, so I am hopeful... we'll see how this works out... I really want  a new   20 hp 4 stroke,   but they are bordering 4K with tax and installation, and its just not in the cards financially... I'll post when its running.... [I HOPE!]

I bought a 9.9 Suzuki extra long shaft kicker with all the bells and whistles for $3000. The basic version is about $ 600 cheaper and with some very little adjustments it becomes a 20 horse . 3 or 4 year old ones go for about $1800.that is something to consider as well.

It seems that the only way to make this thing run again is a resleeve.  With all the service and parts you'll have to spend $$ on to delay the inevitable it is probably cheaper to get a nice new 4stroke which will keep you on the water for a long time and when you decide to stop using it , it will still be worth a pretty penny in resale value.

I used to fix my outboards by myself without giving much thought to pollution and I stopped using a barrel to test run preferring muffs. I bought a 9.9 Suzuki extra long shaft and there was a note attached saying to test in a barrel and not with muffs. So I used a barrel and while the little kicker was running, the water stayed very clean. I remember how with testing a two stroke in a barrel the water would turn oily and grey almost immediately. Upon seeing this, I decided to stop using my two strokes.

Oswego has lots of facilities  and the police regularly visit the marina which makes for a safe place as far as theft is concerned. There seem to be a lot more salmon near Oswego already in spring and often less than a 10 minute boat ride away. 600 feet of water where we often have to go in order to catch salmon if the weather has been unruly is a bit closer to Oswego than it is to Hendersons Harbor

If the lake level at this point is 2 feet above average and there is only a foot and a half of water in the outlet, does that mean that the outlet will be blocked when the water levels reaches the average level? Or will there be some sort of sand removal to keep the outlet open?

Port Bay has a similar problem, but there they bring in a piece of heavy equipment every spring and they dig out a safe safe passage that usually lasts till fall.

This is important to all people  who consider getting a slip in Braddocks bay.

I used a good solid tarp for years and it worked very well.

You can buy a good one for less than it costs to have your boat wrapped. I am not talking about harbor freight junk. You can use a skeleton simular to what is used for wrapping or you can just lay it over your boat and give it shape with an upside down plastic garbage can or if you want to go fancy one or two of those 2 or 3 foot exercise balls in order to prevent pooling of water. use a few straps and you're all set.