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Picking though some unused gear, I came up with this hair-brained idea. 

The rod is a 34" HT Blue ice heavy action with an older Penn 209 level-wind. It's short enough that I think I can manage detaching leaders without leaning too far if I've got  fish on.

Gonna load it up with 50Lb braided line with dropper loops every 10-15 foot instead of bead chains so I don't have to use roller guides.  Figuring I can use hardware like duo-locks, swivels, weight that I already have, so no purchases necessary,  

Convince me it won't work....

Thinking about heading up there the next week or so.  

You staying inside the bay or getting out into the lake ?

The dlx anger is a single-layer hull, so you can mount the transducer right in the hull and shoot through it - you would loose water temperature reading if the 'ducer has that option.

I have a different old towne kayak - it's got open cell foam sandwiched between 2 layers of polyethylene, so I had to hang the 'dcuer off the aft end with a RAM Mount RAM Track Ball Transducer Mount.

Looking to see if I can find a picture of that set-up.  

5 minutes ago, Crafty Jay said:

Wow... I want to be happy about the influx of people interested in the sport but they make it so hard.


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Give the guy credit - At lease he was being considerate and  drilling his own holes.   

If he had just started fishing existing ones, image the complains about how Googans don't know the rules. 

4 hours ago, GAMBLER said:

Nope.  Canandaigua has houses on it.  

@Pete Collin - Nice video.   I like that you have the camera looking at the fly vice  from your point of view.   

So many videos are looking at the fly vice from across the desk and when the narrator says "my left hand", it's actually their right hand.... Confusing for simple minded folks like myself  

Some of my sources for trolling flies.

http://www.trollingflies.com/flyselections

https://rangeleyflyshop.com/collections/types?q=Tandem%20Trolling%20Streamers

I've tried tying my own based on some of the patterns at Rangeley. A few turned out pretty ugly, but still caught fish.

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Not my video - but still entertaining.

Bald Eagle Snatches Kayaker's Trout! - YouTube 

county blocks and back again and we took him down only a couple of hundred of yards away from were we first jumped him.

In The End... All You Really Have Is Memories (fultonhistory.com)

Link to Post Standard story on the crash

Honeoye is usually the first to ice over as it is the shallowest and is pretty protected. You do have to be VERY cautious though as there are gas pockets and stream run offf that can make entry and or exit unsafe early and late in the season. Don't take any chances out there. . Take a spud with you and "feel' your way out

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Got a B-square saddle mount on a 12 gauge  870 - been on there for over 25 seasons of throwing slugs downrange. 

Never had any issues with it moving / loosening up.   Can't speak about if it mar up the receiver - I've never removed it from the gun as it's a dedicated slug gun.

Sorry for coming to the kayak trolling party late.  I spend a lot of time trolling the finger lakes in kayak.  Started out years ago with couple of paddle-only yaks, and eventually upgraded to a Hobie peddle drive so here's my $.02

One of the biggest challenges you'll have is getting the right depth depending on what species you're targeting and what time of year it is; rather than try to cover all that, I'd suggest searching the site - based on people's reports, you can get a pretty good idea of what depth you'll need to be at and what lures / colors are producing action.

 
I can pretty much cover any part of the water column from the surface down to 160-180 ft depending on how I'm rigged for the day.  

Starting from the surface working down, here's my set-ups:

For flat lining, I run either mono or braid, and add split shots for added weight.

I have rods with 4 & 5 colors of 15 Lb. Sufix Performance Lead Core with 20-30 Ft of a Fluro top shot.  With this set-up I get approximately 7 ft of depth per color, and can use a deeper diving lure to get additional depth.  

Torpedo divers attached with OR-16 snap weight clips to braid (with Fluro leader).   Full disclosure, I've donated a few of them to the lake bottom, because they are easy to lose when trying to disconnect.   

Down rigger - run either a 2 or 4 lb. ball with 150 Lb. braid line.   Can get down to 180 ft with the 4 lb., but do get enough blow back that I can't see the ball on sonar.  I can run 2 rods off the down rigger, with 1 release attached to the ball and 2nd on the rigger cable attached with a OR-16 snap weight clip.

Have a rod with 10 colors of lead and a shorter 7 ft leader.

In the earlier days, ran a 3-way swivel with different weights and lures to get down there.  

Have tried a variety of dipsy divers / slide divers / jet divers, but never really got consistency with the depth they run, so don't use them anymore.

A few quick pointers: 

Lead core in a kayak takes patience - it's slow deploying until the first color or so are out and it gets enough drag to pull itself off the rod - keeping the rod pointed straight back also helps. 

Running multiple lines helps to vary your presentation and (hopefully) get more fish.  It can be a challenge to keep from getting tangled up when hooked up.   I try to keep the yak moving forward instead of stopping to land the fish.  

I also only use trolling reels for trolling- When I got into kayaking, I was running 40-year-old Penn Peerless 9's that I used as a kid with my father & grandfather.  I've since upgraded to mostly line counters, but still use a couple of the Penn’s from time to time.  Spinning reels are used for jigging or casting.  

I run a lot of 40+ year old Spoons from my grandfather.  Sutton, Pine Valley & Miller are some of the brands I still have.  Have a bunch of different stick baits – Berkley / Rapala / Kabooms / all shapes sizes and colors.  Can't say that any one specific lure is a 100% catch-all, so I switch things up if not getting hits. 

One of the advantages with the yak is that if you find a spot holding fish or bait pods with fish under them, it's pretty easy to get turned around and keep running through them . 

Like others said – vertical jigging is a blast in a yak.  

Lots of you tube videos on kayak fishing. Lots of us have posted in this site about kayak fishing  - use the search function to find the posts.  

PM if you have other questions.  

https://www.lakeontariounited.com/fishing-hunting/topic/68269-canadice-action/?do=findComment&comment=506453

Try this link instead. 

@Lakertaker187 - here's a post from a few years ago with some details on how I mounted the downrigger.  

I use the 8 oz torpedoes from the yak if I'm not going any deeper than 60-70 feet. 

I did some testing with the Fish Hawk TD, and if I remember right with 15 lb braid it was like 280 feet of line to get 100 ft @ 1.5-2.0 MPH on the GPS.

I run a 2 lb or 4 llb ball off a Scotty Laketroller down rigger, and the drag is pretty manageable.

3 hours ago, leadcore troller said:

Once the sun goes down a lantern over the side will bring them right to the surface, as they start to show up dim the light and they'll come closer. A small hook sabaki rig will jig them up nicely.Put them in a cooler about a 5gallon size with about 1/4 cup of dissolved Kosher Salt, do not use table salt the Iodine will kill them, add a couple of ice cubes to slowly lower the water temp.The Kosher salt keeps a slime coat on their body and keeps them nice and hard not mushy.Salt is the game changer keeping them alive.Also a good aereator , I like to use 2 minnow-misers

Betcha a dollar that there's lakers down under the sawbellies. 

Year ago used to do this with my grandfather on Canandaigua - after we started getting sawbellies, we'd  drop  a Seth Green rig over the side and put the sawbellies on 5-6 ft leaders and wait for the lakers to start smashing em. 

@Sk8man - Generally I  use the Fish Hawk once per trip to give myself a general indication of where the thermocline is set-up ; Realize that what I'm doing isn't 100% accurate, but it gets me down to the general vicinity pretty quickly.  Also, if I fished yesterday, I won't always take a reading today unless there was major weather event that may have caused a change.  Also find it useful to check on lead cores and determine their actual sink rates.

@trouthunter24 - Yes 48 degrees at 50 ft deep.   One thing I've seen with Canadice and Hemlock is that you don't necessary need to be dragging the bottom to find temps that lakers prefer or catch 'em for that matter.  One thing that I was told years ago is that the water is oxygen deficit in the deepest parts of the lake, and supposedly it pushes them into a narrow band of water just below the thermocline.  

Temp results from the past few years

Been having pretty good luck the past month on Cayuga (Sheldrake) and Canandaigua (Woodville), figured I would change things up and hit Canadice yesterday morning and try jigging lakers. 

Hit the water ~6:15 with a slight SW wind; as the morning went on the wind died down so that the lake was almost glass-smooth.  Got off the water around 11:30 just as the recreational kaykers were starting to show up in full force.  

Dropped the Fish hawk TD and got the following temps:

Depth    05    10    15    20    25    30    35    40    45    50    55    60    65    70    75
Temp     80    80    80    79    72    63    58    54    50    48    47    46    45    45    45

Started around 40-45 FOW looking for bait and marks and worked my way around the lake down to 80 FOW.  

Had a ton of followers that I couldn't get to bite, just  a few quick grabs that didn't stay hooked - never landed a fish all morning.  Mixed up my offerings with all kinds of jigging spoons and jigs with paddle tails in assorted colors.  I even changed up my cadence a bunch of different ways , including dragging a stand-up jig across the bottom to simulate pulling copper for awhile.  

An enjoyable morning on the water, but man, Canadice fish sure can humble you in a hurry. 

New place in Honeoye - 

Doc's Tackle

8960 Main Street

Honeoye, NY 14471

Last few times out I've had issues with the action cam - finally got some good footage this AM.

Launched from Sheldrake @ 6:30 AM   Wind out of the S-SE, so I headed north of the point to stay in smoother water.   30-50 FOW was where I was finding marks & bait.   

Had a bunch of followers -  a lot seemed to come into the sonar view when the jig was at 15 ft. then follow all the way up to the surface where I could see them break off the chase.  

Ended up landing 2 - first one was 25" and the second 28".  Both released.  

Off the water by 9:30.

Video 1

Video 2

New bait shop in Honeoye opening tomorrow.  Located on Main Street (20A) near CR # 37 - Think it's the old Aquasoruce store.

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Looks like you've got yourself dialed into fish pretty good.   

I used to use WIllis knots, but the past few years either the lead core sheathing has gotten smaller, or my eye sight is falling, and I've had a hard time getting the flouro into the sheathing.  

I've been stripping 3-4 inches of lead out, and using an albright knot recently.  

Biggest bow I've gotten in hemlock was 24".   I would say average fish for me is 18-19" range.  

Nice report and congrates on a sucessful trip. Hemlock is one of my favoriates - the tranquility makes it worth the time even if the fish don't bite.

What's your secret for getting browns ? They never cooperate when I'm targeting them.


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