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The distance is reasonable so it is not surprising. I imaging they could also go to many other locations through the canals but they would have to be very adventurous. -
The 9th annual Mark Troy Memorial Musky Tournament will be held Saturday October 3rd on Waneta Lake. It is put on by Jim Reynolds, Bob Saucke and Captain Ed Cragg in memory of Jim's friend and fishing partner, Mark Treau, who passed away in 2006 with cancer. Bob is recovering from an operation on his knee due to an accident at work so he won't be operating a judge boat this year. This is a catch and release tournament. Judge boats are used to verify your catch. Tournament hours will be 7 am til 3:30 pm. Morning fog could delay the start. Registration will be at the boat launch between 6 and 7 am. The entry fee is $25 per angler and this is a cash tournament with prizes for first, second and third place. I do not have all the rules but I believe they will be the same as last year and will be provided to participants before the start of the tournament. After 4PM will be the awards, then a cookout, raffle table, 50/50 raffle and group picture. Bring your own drinks. I believe it will be at the cottage on Swarthout point as usual. If you have any questions, you can call Jim at 585-670-0422 or post them here. Contact Jim if you want to stay at the cottage. I believe there is still room. -
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It sure would be nice to know why the tigers just aren't being caught as much in Conesus as in Otisco. Is it the size of the lake? Is it survival rate and could it be because there are pike there too? Or is it just that there is a lot of food for them in the open waters? If it is poor survival, it sure would be nice if a solution could be found. I wonder if the DEC has analyzed the program there to try and identify any reasons and/or come up with some possible solutions. Maybe stocking them at a larger size would help. Or changing stocking dates or locations. I am under the impression that the DEC just does not have enough data to make a determination on survival rate. Maybe it could be a good college research project. Does anyone know if there is a fisheries studies program at SUNY Geneseo? If so maybe they would be interested in working on a project there. They already have lake access at Long Point. Maybe they could even help try a pen raising project there. If extra help is needed, I think some Chapter 69 members and local anglers would be willing to help.
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Mike, Do you know of any method that was done and studied to have more positive and/or economic results or any projects that are currently being researched. I was wondering if putting them in pens for a couple weeks in the body of water and trapping and feeding them native baitfish could be a viable practice. Then float release them with boats. Maybe pens could be constructed in natural weed beds to help them acclimate to hiding in the weeds and hunting their food in the weeds. And then when it is time to release them, just remove the pen.
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Becoming a member of the chapter is a good start. Becoming an active chapter member is ultimately the best way to support local musky fisheries. The larger the support for musky fisheries via organized groups such as Muskies Inc., the better. Active membership is priceless. It is all about creating group support for musky fisheries throughout the state. You can equate it with the crowd being the extra player on the field in a football game but the voice has to be more tempered. We need to work with the state and other groups in a supportive way and within the established mechanisms. We are still a young Chapter. Members are needed to organize and contribute in a wide variety of roles in order to become established as a respected organization in the state.
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Cute little guys and gals. Too bad they wont have much of a chance to grow up. It would be nice if they would accept your offer to help. It might be in violation of some state regulation for them to accept your help but it seems like a waste to toss them in like that. Just very expensive fish food.
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Please let us know how you do. I have talked to friends about checking it out for some time now. Just haven't got around to it.
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I agree Larry. Raising tiger minimum size to 40" should be very doable. In waters that hold both purebreds and tigers, they are already at the same length as purebreds. Chautauqua is 40", Great lakes is 54", rivers in southern tier are 40". There might be some concern from the DEC about having the tiger min. size different than pike on waters that have both like Conesus, but it is much easier to tell the difference between pike and tiger as opposed to musky and tiger musky. It would be nice if pike could be raised to at least 25" (currently it is 18") and the creel limit lowered but there might a lot of opposition there. If it is eventually raised in increments to 36", it might create some nice pike fishing opportunities and take some of the pressure off muskies. It should at least be done in some waters (maybe at first to see the potential of restoring them to trophy status).
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I think I have heard that there are a lot of walleye there too. The problem is you don't want to eat them out of that lake. At one time, I believe it was considered the most polluted freshwater lake in the country. They are still working on removing all the pollutants from the bottom of the lake. I believe they they sill don't allow swimming in the lake. But I have heard that the fishing is good there for various species. You just don't want to eat them.
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This is an area where we would need members who live in various counties to become members of the respective Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs. I believe only a county resident can become a member. We can't do it in all counties because the cost of the memberships would add up. Also the MI 69 Chapter Board would have to approve each one. The key counties would be ones that have musky waters. I am not sure if all counties have a federation. There are two counties that border Waneta Lake but I do not know if either one has a federation. It would be nice if we could gain some political influence there to help control the lake association's practices on the lake. From what I understand though, they have a state legislator or two behind them so it may be an uphill battle there.
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Even in the Boat US article, there is no definitive conclusion. I don't use one. I have a roller trailer and the nearest trailer cross member is at least 1.5 feet forward of the transom. My motor is 1990 Mercury 75 hp. I just tilt it all the way up. In that position, the balance of the motor weight is leaning toward the front of the boat slightly. So most of the weight is exerted vertically on the transom. As mentioned in the Boat US article, road vibrations can be transferred through a transom saver from the trailer to the motor which can in turn exert stress on the transom. It will depend on how rigid the trailer is and how tight the boat is held to the trailer. It will also depend on how much shock is absorbed by the trailer suspension and tires. The more the trailer flexes, the more energy will be transferred through the transom saver and the motor to the transom. Of course, when trailering, no matter what the setup is, it is always best to slow down for RR tracks and bumpy roads. Trailer suspension just doesn't smooth out the bumps like your vehicle suspension does. Also I found out the hard way that if you have only one roller supporting the front of the boat, you have to strap down the bow to keep from damaging the hull as the boat bounces on the roller. This might be a good idea for any setup. -
Check it out fellow muskie folk
muskiedreams replied to JOE ESOX's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
I wonder if old age could have had something to do with it's death. -
Landed a Triple on video
muskiedreams replied to Peave's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
They must like SRV. -
Two muskies about the same size. Pink jacket and gloves too!! I was still catching pan fish at her age. -
otisco 8/8 and 8/9
muskiedreams replied to justtracytrolling's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
It can be difficult to Identify a tiger sometimes. Tigers can easily be confused with barred muskies. Sometimes a barred musky can be pretty dark in color to where someone might say it is a tiger. I have seen this at Waneta lake where tigers were never stocked and it would be highly unlikely since northerns a very very rare. Since only tigers have been stocked in Otisco, you can be certain when you catch one that it is a tiger but if you saw the a picture and did not know that fact and/or did not know where it was caught, you might think it is a dark purebred. Also pictures can look darker or lighter than the actual subject. If it has solid unbroken vertical bars, there is no doubt that it is a tiger. If it has broken vertical bars, it can be mistaken for a barred purebred. The fish that FishinNY gets in his home waters can only be tigers, as dark as they are an with the prominent vertical bars. The bars are very wade too. I would like to know why they look so different than the tigers in Otisco. They all come from the same hatchery. Some other tigers I have seen have much narrower bars but unbroken and very dark. The DEC regulations in waters that contain both tigers and purebreds are the same for both because they can so easily be misidentified. I have attached a PDF (hopefully) showing how to identify the different types of muskies, tigers and pike and even with that it may be difficult to make the determination sometimes. If you are familiar with how they typically look in a particular body of water it is a lot easier. Even then, it can be difficult sometimes. The Upper Niagara River has both but sometimes the barred muskies are pretty dark and can be mistaken for a tiger. Looking closely at the fins and cheeks can help.Muskellunge_Northern_Pike_Signs_12x18_Print_-_NJ_Chapter_ (25%).pdf I hope the NJ Chapter and Muskies Inc.doesn't mind I put this here. I couldn't figure out how to convert it to an image. -
Here's a link
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This meeting, like all our meetings, is open to the public The meeting will be at 7:00 PM, on Monday, Sept 21st at The Genesee Valley Henrietta Moose Lodge 2290, at 5375 West Henrietta Rd. Henrietta, NY. Click Here for directions. We are pleased to be hosting guest speaker Dr. John Farrell who will be giving us a presentation on the latest research and management work that is being done by the St. Lawrence River Muskellunge Management Work Group. John is an Associate professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry and also Director of the Thousand Island Biological Station in Clayton, NY. He has been working for many years in Musky management and research on the St. Lawrence and will presenting all the latest information about the state of the musky fishery there. Below is a link to to a report that was published in 2010 which gives a good overview of the ongoing efforts of the group since about 1980 to help preserve the magnificent natural musky fishery of the St. Lawrence River. http://www.esf.edu/tibs/Documents/SLR%20Muskellunge%20Management%20Plan%20III.pdf I want to mention that a member of our Chapter Peter Levick, who is also President of Muskies Canada introduced me to Mr. Farrell and helped make this happen. Thank you very Much Pete!! This should be a very informative presentation.
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Maybe Vermont puts them in a pond and feeds them minnows for a while before they release them. Supposedly they are stocking in two tributaries that flow into Lake Champlain. Also New York State has been stocking them in the great Chazy River. I think since about 2005. There are some 40" class fish being caught there now.
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Here is an article about the newer IOs from Boat US. The Latest Technology In Sterndrives -
I heard there hasn't been much happening. I think temp is about 78F. Could be dropping with the cool days recently.
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I wonder how they are doing in Webster from Shipbuilders creek to Hedges. It would be great if they are coming back. Smallmouth are still doing good in Lake Erie and Niagara River. I don't think they ever had the problem there. I think eastern Lake Ontario never had the problem as bad either. It used to be a blast catching them before they crashed. I had to switch from hair jig with worm to tube jig (dark brown and green colors) when the gobies became a problem. Also used to do pretty good trolling crank baits. White plastic grubs (3 or 4 inch) used to kill them at times. They would be stacked up in shallow when the lake turned over. Catch rate of 20/hr or more at times.
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I knew that you are only allowed to travel with one day's catch in Canada. So if you are there several days, you can eat some while you are there but can only bring one day's catch home. Are you saying that residents can only possess one days catch in your freezer at home? Do you have to eat some before you can keep more? Does this mean that you can't stock up on them during the season for the winter? Can you possess a total equal to the limits of all family members or residents added together?
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The text below is taken from the 2015 regulation guide. Here is a link to the complete fishing regulations. The pertinent text is in red. I am not sure if 40 Acre Shoal is east or west of the line described below. So east of the line is only one line per angler. All waters of Lake Ontario, including the Niagara River (downstream of Niagara Falls). The following waters are excluded: Jordan Harbour, Hamilton Harbour, Toronto Harbour, Frenchman’s Bay, Murray Canal, Presqu’ile Bay, Weller’s Bay, East Lake, West Lake, the Bay of Quinte (the waters lying west of the Glenora Ferry), the St. Lawrence River (waters lying east of a line drawn between Bishops Point and the easternmost tips of Howe and Wolfe islands), and all other tributaries to Lake Ontario. Two lines may be used when angling from a boat in open water.
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I just looked at the regs. General regs is 1 rod. There is an exception of 2 rods for Lake Ontario and also for Lake Erie and Lake St. Clair (except not Detroit River or St. Clair River). It looks like all of Niagara River is also 2 rods but St Lawrence is only so far up. I didn't check other Great Lakes and I guess there could be other waters where 2 rods are allowed but you would have to check the regional regulations. About being allowed in Canadian waters, I heard that if you have had a DWI, you are not allowed. I also heard that there is a way to become allowed again but it may cost some money.