Lucky13
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10 hours ago, NymphO said:
Has anyone taught their dogs to bark when there is marks on the graph ??
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Wouldn't he need a license if he did that?
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You would have to collect the perch by angling as well. Considering the time it takes you to travel to, I am assuming Keuka when you say use perch for bait, is it really more economical to collect your own bait than to pay a bait dealer on the Lake for a couple dozen shiners or alewifes? Honestly, too, bait has been used for years on the Finger Lakes, generally alewives or smelt sewn onto an English hook and still fished with the same intermittent results you are experiencing, there is really nothing new under the sun (get a copy of Earl Holdren's long out of print book on Finger Lakes trout fishing, it's all in there, except maybe jigging.) Have you seen the pictures on here and Iceshanty of the Kueka lakers? They are so thin they will likely hit anything that gets in front of them, when you are not getting bit you're likely just not on the fish, and if that is the case, bait will do you no more good than hardware or plastics.
The bait regulations are not easy, but the bottom line is that every time you bring uncertified bait from somewhere else, you risk introducing some new disease, and one of them may be the one that wipes out the fishery in the lake you bring it into. I know some of the guys on here think they know more than the fisheries biologists, but I know a lot of the DEC folks, and they don't cook up regulations to make your life miserable, they are genuinely concerned about new diseases, VHS cost the hatchery system a lot of money, whirling disease radically altered where rainbows can be raised, and there are "bugs" out there that could wipe out a population. An alternative would be to just prohibit use of fish for bait, and if it becomes apparent that people are playing fast and loose with the current rules, that could be next
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I waited to respond because I'm negative on this one. My experience with dogs and fishing is that dogs are magnets for hooks, so make sure you have some 50 lb along and know the pinch and pull removal method, because Phideaux will not look good or be happy sporting an NK under his arm! I am a firm believer in Murphy's Law, if something bad can happen, it will, and not when you expect it or are prepared, it will likely be when you have a big king flopping on the floor, and the dog thinks it just wants to play!
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14 hours ago, cronoticed said:
it clearly says you can use a throw net or minnow trap but not whether those are the ONLY methods you can use.
The way the English language works, if you head a table with the words " Gear for taking baitfish", and a type of gear is not listed in the table,it is not allowed.
I can't finds the exact language in the electronic regulations, but the print guide has in large letters in a sidebar " Please Note. Any fish taken from a water body and used as bait counts toward your daily limit."
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For the folks that could not make SOL, here's Brian.
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http://www.eregulations.com/newyork/fishing/baitfish-regulations/
The way I read it, the only thing you can use in the Finger Lakes is a minnow trap, or a gillnet maximum length 25 feet, maximum area 200 square feet, maximum size 1″ bar (alewife only), or by angling. No transport in a vehicle.
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DEC: Cold Temperature Stress in Late Winter Causes Cyclical Fish Die-Off in Local Waterbodies
Large numbers of dead and dying fish have been observed in area waters including Irondequoit Bay and the Erie Canal in Newark, New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) reported today. Inspections by DEC Aquatic Biologists indicate that nearly all of the dead and dying fish observed are gizzard shad, a medium-sized member of the herring family.
Mortality of gizzard shad in late winter and early spring is common. The species is very sensitive to cold water temperatures and their inability to acclimate causes mortality at low temperatures. Gizzard shad are living near the northern edge of their range in the Great Lakes, making them especially susceptible to cold temperatures.
On March 27, DEC collected and submitted a sample of gizzard shad from Irondequoit Bay and sent them to Cornell University's pathology laboratory for disease screening. No viable samples were available from the Erie Canal. Results indicate the fish had a low level infection of viral hemorrhagic septicemia (VHS). VHS has been the cause of a disease issue in the Great Lakes region of the United States and Canada. VHS virus is a rhabdovirus (rod shaped virus) that affects fish of all size and age ranges. VHS can cause hemorrhaging of fish tissue. Once a fish is infected with VHS, there is no known cure. Not all infected fish develop the disease, but they can carry and spread the disease to other fish. VHS does not pose any threat to human health. Additional information about VHS is available on DEC's website at https://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/25328.html.
Gizzard shad live near the northern edge of their range in the Great Lakes, making them especially susceptible to cold temperatures. Mild winters may have allowed their population to increase the last two years. Because the gizzard shad mortality is widespread and primarily affects one species of fish, their die-off is not considered an indicator of an environmental problem such as pollution. Mortality of a single species of fish suggests that the die-off is the result of a disease, parasite or species-specific stressor. In this particular case, late winter cold stress is the suspected cause.
Additional information about gizzard shad, including images, is available on DEC's website at https://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7031.html#gizzardshad. -
2 hours ago, threethinlayers said:
What depth are you trolling at this time of year? Thanks.
I flat line, and generally run a line only 15-20 feet back right in the propwash for LL salmon. I have trolled like this in the 'dacks, but it should work in the FL.
Cronoticed has some valid points about very shallow and close to shore. I also like strickbaits like rapalas for trolling, but spoons like mooselicks and speedy shiners hold up to fast speeds.
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Casting size suttons or cleos, fast retrieve should work until the water starts warming up. But you can cover a lot more water at a faster speed trolling.
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Not along the Lake, it is still howling up here. ~15000 without power in Monroe County, ~2000 each in Orleans and Wayne.
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Cancelled my trip to the Finger Lakes tribs today, this is the kind of wind that gives meaning to the term widow makers! I feel bad for all the folks at the east end of the Lake, but grateful the wind is not coming the east and knocking my trees over onto the house!
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In the old days, I would have cut and pasted the chart, but the version of Adobe I have now does not allow me to do that, and it loses formatting of tables, so it is just easier to provide the link.
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http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/lorpt16b.pdf
The trawl sites are in Figure 1 of section 12. This is 2016but hey do the same sites year after year (consistency of measurement).
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It looks like the DEC website went down yesterday PM, maybe maintenance. Or I've got a bug in my computer!
But the regs are on another site anyway.
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From the Livingston County section of the Regulations guide (interesting reading!)
North McMillan Creek and Conesus Inlet Fish and Wildlife Management Area from Conesus Lake south to the dam, except the canal west of Conesus Inlet and that portion of the inlet north of the canal
Fishing prohibited March 1 until the opening of walleye season in May
to protect spawning walleye and northern pike
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Pike and Walleyes don't open on May 1, it is the first Saturday in May that the season opens.
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Carriage House website says they are closed until May1
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The land on which the launch is located belongs to the state, same as out in Braddock. But operation of the park was passed to Monroe County Parks a number of as ago, and MC Parks dropped it and it was assumed by the Town of Irondequoit last end of season. This is similar to Braddock, where the Town of Greece operates for NYS but has subcontracted operation, currently the Danielli family. It is not uncommon to find things on the NYS website that are way out of date.
There's nothing I could find on the Town website yet. I do know they have a machine to pay installed, it was in when I was down there checking ice two months ago.
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At this time I don't have answer to that question, but may in 2 weeks. Or you could call the town and ask.
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According to Jack Cooper's fishery report, many years ago, for NYSDEC, there is limited spawning habitat for smallmouth in the Bay, mainly along the Irondequoit side south of Newport and North of Densmore. Fishery work done more recently as part of the Bay Plan process by Dr James Haynes at SUNY Brockport mainly indicated largemouths. I used to do well off shore just south of German Village, but that got turned into Condos quite a while ago. And when I was a kid, the Outlet Bridge and the Railroad trestle were always hot spots just after the season opened, but that's all gone or radically changed, too.
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She will want to know how much you paid me!
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On 2/7/2018 at 9:43 AM, Sk8man said:
Something to consider is this: The current NYS regulations dictate that baitfish need to be certified by a licensed bait dealer unless caught and used within the same body of water as that fished. This includes dead bait such as salted minnows etc. (and the bait receipt needs to be no more than 10 days old) unless commercially prepared and then you need to have the packaaging for them. Not trying to pop anyones balloon but just something to be aware of. On the other hand, it is the fact that although I have been checked many times for a license (even recently) never have the DEC officers asked for a bait receipt or examined any bait we were using.
This very detailed but it is not an easy topic. Sk8man is, as usual, correct. The conceern is that a disease could be moved with the bait. VHS has already caused major problems, and there is always the possibility that some new, or mutated virus could come into the system from elsewhere. If it is the one that the salmon react to like Native Americans reacted to smallpox, you could end up working out a way to troll for carp! http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/33072.html#sellers
I fish in the 'Dacks with bait, and we get checked for the receipt before they ask for a license.
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On 3/9/2018 at 11:25 PM, pap said:
I don’t think it’s legal to use gobies for bait, or any other bait for the reason you won’t have that slip that says it’s approved bait. I’m almost positive that gobies are illegal for bait. I think that’s about the dumbest thing. Who would care if you used them for bait other than the boys in green
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Gobies are off lmits for bait. One guy thinks it doesn't matter if he uses them in Lake Ontario because they are already there, the next guy fiogures if its OK in LO, why not in his local lake and soon you've got gobies eating all the trout eggs all over the northeast.
Same argument for bait from out of the area, somebody figures his wahoo or whatever from the salt will be fine for a cut bait rig, and brings something new in. What happens if somebody brings in bait that has some "new" disease, and it turns out that Salmon are very susceptible, and there is no cure? One guy saves a few bucks and everybody else loses their fishery!
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