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  1. Brian, Cisco were stocked by USF+WS in Irondequoit Bay and Sodus Bay for some amount of time (post 70, memory for numbers gets cloudy, why I like hard copy reports). According to Web Persall, (Region 8 Fisheries Manager), last night, there are no longer Ciscoes going in, but Bloaters continue to be raised. Maybe the Cisco program was discontinued when Mr. Johnson retired, but there is a gap in reporting, it would be nice to see the results of the project.
  2. Brian, I have to laugh hearing the DEC concern about predation by esocids on out-migrating smolts in Irondequoit Creek. When USGS and Monroe County proposed the use of the Irondequoit Creek Wetlands as a nutrient control area at the conclusion of the Nationwide Urban Runoff program in the early 80s, NYSDEC objected to the proposal to install a weir because the ponded area could provide habitat for predators to prey on smolts, too. When the permit was finally granted after nearly 18 years, the objection was that the project would negatively impact esocid habitat and spawning. So they have come 360%, and as I recall based on the opinion of one biologist, not on any data. But say there are predators in IC, they are also there in Sandy, and the thermal regime in Sandy would appear to me to insure that survival of fry to smolt is highly unlikely, while the thermal regime of IC allows stocked fish to survive down into Ellison Park, and so might actually support Salar juveniles. I also wonder if the discussion of spawning sites took into consideration the stream temperatures in July and August. When the experimental stocking in Irondequoit Creek was done, the biologists said the fish would run and spawn in the fall. They spawned in the fall, but they were in the stream the first year of return right after an early July rainstorm. Many bellied up from thermal stress even in IC, and for subsequent seasons DEC closed the stream to fishing for the summer months. I think it is guaranteed that this will occur in an even warmer stream like Sandy.
  3. Well, Yogi, "County delegates" implies that the Counties had something to do with it, and the Counties had nothing to do with either group as you describe it. Gill, I'm all for more Atlantics, but if the goal is to get them sustaining, Sandy Creek hasn't got the temperatures. Irondequoit Creek does.
  4. Yogibare, where do you get the idea that the Lake Ontario Committee members are County Delegates? Have you ever seen a membership list or seen a press release about this group? Prior to Steve LaPan's retirement, there was another Lake Ontario Committee, which consisted of 12 Americans and 12 Canadians, and this group was not chosen at the county level but to represent various stakeholder groups, so consisted mainly of charter captains and tributary anglers from all 4 regions, and served as input to Steve and Andy Miner for their role on the Great Lakes Fishery Commission. We started meeting via zoom due to the logistics issues of getting such a large group to one place along our "inland sea", then Steve retired, and I, for one, never heard anything else. I am sure some of the membership was moved on, I can't imagine Captains Songin or Perleoni not having a voice for the west end of the Lake. But I also serve on our county Fisheries Advisory Board, and the existence of this new NYS group was news to us (2 of us were on the GLFC panel) when one of the members visited a meeting and started talking about the Atlantic Salmon Plan, which seems to me came out of the clear blue sky in light of the stocking reductions of the last 4 or so years. I watched the Power Points, I must have dozed off as I don't recall anything about an increase in King Stocking. Maybe this was added to the program as a " bone" to soften the memory of the stocking cuts and cushion the "new" Atlantic Salmon program. At any rate, this will get discussed at the MCFAB meeting, via zoom, on Monday. I agree with Rick about the poor communications, it was short notice, very poorly communicated, and there are much better times to get people's attention than Southern Zone Deer Season. Unless you want to avoid the tough questions.
  5. MCFAB was notified by Steve Olufsen, but I think he, like Rolmops and me, is on the DEC mailing list.
  6. DEC Announces 'State of Lake Ontario Fisheries' Virtual Meeting and Video Series - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation November 12. Likely would not have been much help without the power point pre-work. And very easy to fo9rget during deer season.
  7. Is it an old sewing machine? The foot controlled on/ off function would work great, but where do I find a 12 volt sewing machine?
  8. I asked because the backdrop in your picture is all snow, likely after October 15, and before April 1, not to say it isn't a splake from Limekiln, where ice fishing is legal. I'm not aware of any of the ponds in the Brook Trout program that are open to ice fishing, although that doesn't deter poachers on snowmobiles.
  9. Hey Hounds, where do you go for pond brook trout when there is still snow on the ground?
  10. Check out the article in NYON this week on the Golden Lake trout caught in Lake George. The reporter must be very young, and not from the Finger Lakes, he marvels at the new fangled, unique method of feeding out line from a spool attached to a victrola motor, and that the reel automatically winds the fish up. All you hand liners will get a chuckle!
  11. You should know that the limit on Rainbow Trout in Hemlock Lake is 1, or is that a combined catch?
  12. You'll want to read all this and get your comments in, you have until February 15. For Release: Friday, January 15, 2021 DEC Announces Release of Draft Sunfish and Crappie Management Plan Proposed Plan Reflects Current Angler Views and Science to Provide Sustainable and Unique Fishing Opportunities for Popular Panfish Public Comments Accepted through Feb. 15, 2021 New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) Commissioner Basil Seggos today announced the release of a draft Sunfish and Crappie Management Plan for public review and comment. The draft plan proposes more conservative statewide fishing regulations and establishes the "Big Panfish Initiative" that aims to provide unique opportunities by managing for larger-sized crappie and sunfish in certain waters. The draft plan is available on DEC's website and public comments will be accepted through Feb. 15, 2021. "Sunfish and crappie are some of New York's most popular panfish species and with this plan, DEC is balancing conservation and fishing opportunities for more sustainable fisheries in waters across the state," Commissioner Seggos said. "DEC encourages New York's anglers to share their input on this draft management plan and the Big Panfish Initiative to help develop destination fisheries for sunfish and crappie and complement our ongoing efforts to expand and diversify New York State's freshwater angling opportunities." In the draft plan, fishery managers propose management objectives after considering both the current science on sunfish (bluegill, pumpkinseed, and redbreast) and crappie management and the opinions of New York anglers. Results from an online angler survey (PDF) indicate support for more conservative sunfish fishing regulations. Recent research on the impacts of sunfish and crappie harvest regulations indicates that lowering daily harvest limits or increasing minimum size limits can result in improvements to population size structure, which is likely to improve fishing quality and sustainability for these species. Elements of the draft plan include: Reducing the sunfish statewide daily harvest limit from 50 to 25 fish; Increasing the crappie statewide minimum size limit from nine to 10 inches; Establishing the Big Panfish Initiative, which includes: Implementing an eight-inch minimum size limit and a daily harvest limit of 15 for sunfish in the following waters: Blydenburgh Lake (DEC Region 1); Lake Welch (Region 3); Canadarago Lake and Goodyear Lake (Region 4); Saratoga Lake (Region 5); Sixtown Pond and Red Lake (Region 6); Cazenovia Lake and Otisco Lake (Region 7); Honeoye Lake (Region 8); and Silver Lake (Region 9) Implementing a 12-inch minimum size limit and a daily harvest limit of 10 for crappie in the following waters: Muscoot Reservoir (Region 3); Saratoga Lake (Region 5); Delta Lake (Region 6); Cazenovia Lake and Otisco Lake (Region 7); Waneta/Lamoka lakes and Honeoye Lake (Region 8); and Bear Lake (Region 9) Evaluating the impacts of these fishing regulation changes to sunfish and crappie population structure and through periodic checks of angler satisfaction. Comments on the draft plan should be submitted via e-mail to [email protected] or via mail to Jeff Loukmas, NYSDEC, 625 Broadway, Albany, NY 12233-4753; include the subject line "Sunfish and Crappie Management Plan." Comments will be accepted through Feb. 15, 2021.
  13. Another question posed by these articles is why is this just happening now. Is this a new additive, or has it taken years to build up to a critical point in the environment? At any rate, in NYS, passive stormwater treatment has been required in many municipalities for quite a while,. But a question for our friends at NYSDEC and USGS is whether this "new" compound may be linked to problems with Coho in Lake Ontario, where they do not seem as prevalent as they were when the programs were initiated. When I was working on the Rochester Embayment Remedial Action Plan, we listed cadmium as a Chemical of Concern, and the individual who introduced this named tires as a source. I could find no literature indicating a significant role for Cadmium in tire manufacture, but I would not be surprised to find Cadmium in the pigments for all those double yellow lines that people kind of ignore a lot anymore.
  14. If Dr. Landrigan wanted to be thorough, he would discuss relative contributions of industrial nations without classifying them in terms other than their pollutant loads, like developing nation, which the Paris accords did for China and India, certainly the Number 1 and 2 dischargers currently. If the concern is a compound used in tire manufacture, the way to get it out of the waste stream is to drive less, or remove the compound (and that requires telling China to remove it, as I think our entire rubber industry has been “orientalized”). Tires wear out on roads, and there isn't enough money in the world to build treatment systems for all the roads.
  15. I am waiting with "baited" breath!
  16. I've heard a lot of this in the past as my earliest fishing buddy, Andy Damen, took up the night game around 1970, generally on Canandaigua south end, and got very addicted to it. I know he was never short of trout in his freezer, and they were a lot bigger than the ones we'd catch fly fishing out in Spring Brook in Caledonia. I think it was his major fishing activity until Lake Ontario turned on, and then he moved to Connecticut. I was back from college once and he offered to take me, but he said "no beer, you'll just be pissing over the side all night," and I passed. But I've since come to understand what he was talking about!
  17. Hey Les, How's the book coming?
  18. Forgive me if someone else has posted this elsewhere on the board, and I missed it. Steve LaPan , head of the Great Lakes Section of NYSDEC Fisheries and a familiar face to anyone who has attended State of the Lake meetings, has announced his retirement. When we heard of this, there had been no decision on his replacement. Whether you agreed with all of his analysis and actions or not, I think all have to admit that there have been few folks in the DEC with as much dedication to his job as Steve has shown, and we are lucky that he was so committed to both informing the public through things like the SOL meetings, and gathering information from the public to factor into the decision making. Lets hope and pray that his successor carries as big a skill set and concern as Steve!
  19. This project is over 20 years old, Gary Nuederfer from Region 8 used to go up and assist every fall before his retirement .
  20. I guess it is late for this, but a fair number of browns seem to migrate back to their stocking site. In Rochester, a lot of browns get put in east of Irondequoit Bay mouth out toward Oklahoma Point, and we could always find a concentration right up near shore there. I know the exact spot where DEC puts them in but it is a private residence. But if I find a crowd at every access point on I Creek Like I did the other day, I may try spoons from shore at the new Town of Webster Park, casting from the rocks. I think a lot of the browns that end up spawning in Webster and I Creek stage off Oklahoma and then run on later rain events.
  21. I don't see an adipose fin on the top fish, so I'm going with emerald shiner. I used to get lots of these in with the smelt when we dipped at Russell Station, and a lot of guys couldn't tell the difference (at least until they came out of the fryer.) The bottom look like small sunfish, we used to catch lots of these in early August in minnow traps in a shallow area of Fourth Lake where the pumpkinseeds spawned, and when we get landlocks in August, they are generally full of these even when there are good year classes of smelt in the Lake. They do not work as bait, however as they don't keep well in a minnow bucket, and they don't stay alive on the hook.
  22. I ask because the hatchery worker I know says they have sufficient cohos in the tanks, and they are done with Kings, so what is the justification for closing now?
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