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  1. You should know that the limit on Rainbow Trout in Hemlock Lake is 1, or is that a combined catch?
  2. You'll want to read all this and get your comments in, you have until February 15. For Release: Friday, January 15, 2021 DEC Announces Release of Draft Sunfish and Crappie Management Plan Proposed Plan Reflects Current Angler Views and Science to Provide Sustainable and Unique Fishing Opportunities for Popular Panfish Public Comments Accepted through Feb. 15, 2021 New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) Commissioner Basil Seggos today announced the release of a draft Sunfish and Crappie Management Plan for public review and comment. The draft plan proposes more conservative statewide fishing regulations and establishes the "Big Panfish Initiative" that aims to provide unique opportunities by managing for larger-sized crappie and sunfish in certain waters. The draft plan is available on DEC's website and public comments will be accepted through Feb. 15, 2021. "Sunfish and crappie are some of New York's most popular panfish species and with this plan, DEC is balancing conservation and fishing opportunities for more sustainable fisheries in waters across the state," Commissioner Seggos said. "DEC encourages New York's anglers to share their input on this draft management plan and the Big Panfish Initiative to help develop destination fisheries for sunfish and crappie and complement our ongoing efforts to expand and diversify New York State's freshwater angling opportunities." In the draft plan, fishery managers propose management objectives after considering both the current science on sunfish (bluegill, pumpkinseed, and redbreast) and crappie management and the opinions of New York anglers. Results from an online angler survey (PDF) indicate support for more conservative sunfish fishing regulations. Recent research on the impacts of sunfish and crappie harvest regulations indicates that lowering daily harvest limits or increasing minimum size limits can result in improvements to population size structure, which is likely to improve fishing quality and sustainability for these species. Elements of the draft plan include: Reducing the sunfish statewide daily harvest limit from 50 to 25 fish; Increasing the crappie statewide minimum size limit from nine to 10 inches; Establishing the Big Panfish Initiative, which includes: Implementing an eight-inch minimum size limit and a daily harvest limit of 15 for sunfish in the following waters: Blydenburgh Lake (DEC Region 1); Lake Welch (Region 3); Canadarago Lake and Goodyear Lake (Region 4); Saratoga Lake (Region 5); Sixtown Pond and Red Lake (Region 6); Cazenovia Lake and Otisco Lake (Region 7); Honeoye Lake (Region 8); and Silver Lake (Region 9) Implementing a 12-inch minimum size limit and a daily harvest limit of 10 for crappie in the following waters: Muscoot Reservoir (Region 3); Saratoga Lake (Region 5); Delta Lake (Region 6); Cazenovia Lake and Otisco Lake (Region 7); Waneta/Lamoka lakes and Honeoye Lake (Region 8); and Bear Lake (Region 9) Evaluating the impacts of these fishing regulation changes to sunfish and crappie population structure and through periodic checks of angler satisfaction. Comments on the draft plan should be submitted via e-mail to [email protected] or via mail to Jeff Loukmas, NYSDEC, 625 Broadway, Albany, NY 12233-4753; include the subject line "Sunfish and Crappie Management Plan." Comments will be accepted through Feb. 15, 2021.
  3. Another question posed by these articles is why is this just happening now. Is this a new additive, or has it taken years to build up to a critical point in the environment? At any rate, in NYS, passive stormwater treatment has been required in many municipalities for quite a while,. But a question for our friends at NYSDEC and USGS is whether this "new" compound may be linked to problems with Coho in Lake Ontario, where they do not seem as prevalent as they were when the programs were initiated. When I was working on the Rochester Embayment Remedial Action Plan, we listed cadmium as a Chemical of Concern, and the individual who introduced this named tires as a source. I could find no literature indicating a significant role for Cadmium in tire manufacture, but I would not be surprised to find Cadmium in the pigments for all those double yellow lines that people kind of ignore a lot anymore.
  4. If Dr. Landrigan wanted to be thorough, he would discuss relative contributions of industrial nations without classifying them in terms other than their pollutant loads, like developing nation, which the Paris accords did for China and India, certainly the Number 1 and 2 dischargers currently. If the concern is a compound used in tire manufacture, the way to get it out of the waste stream is to drive less, or remove the compound (and that requires telling China to remove it, as I think our entire rubber industry has been “orientalized”). Tires wear out on roads, and there isn't enough money in the world to build treatment systems for all the roads.
  5. I am waiting with "baited" breath!
  6. I've heard a lot of this in the past as my earliest fishing buddy, Andy Damen, took up the night game around 1970, generally on Canandaigua south end, and got very addicted to it. I know he was never short of trout in his freezer, and they were a lot bigger than the ones we'd catch fly fishing out in Spring Brook in Caledonia. I think it was his major fishing activity until Lake Ontario turned on, and then he moved to Connecticut. I was back from college once and he offered to take me, but he said "no beer, you'll just be pissing over the side all night," and I passed. But I've since come to understand what he was talking about!
  7. Hey Les, How's the book coming?
  8. Forgive me if someone else has posted this elsewhere on the board, and I missed it. Steve LaPan , head of the Great Lakes Section of NYSDEC Fisheries and a familiar face to anyone who has attended State of the Lake meetings, has announced his retirement. When we heard of this, there had been no decision on his replacement. Whether you agreed with all of his analysis and actions or not, I think all have to admit that there have been few folks in the DEC with as much dedication to his job as Steve has shown, and we are lucky that he was so committed to both informing the public through things like the SOL meetings, and gathering information from the public to factor into the decision making. Lets hope and pray that his successor carries as big a skill set and concern as Steve!
  9. This project is over 20 years old, Gary Nuederfer from Region 8 used to go up and assist every fall before his retirement .
  10. I guess it is late for this, but a fair number of browns seem to migrate back to their stocking site. In Rochester, a lot of browns get put in east of Irondequoit Bay mouth out toward Oklahoma Point, and we could always find a concentration right up near shore there. I know the exact spot where DEC puts them in but it is a private residence. But if I find a crowd at every access point on I Creek Like I did the other day, I may try spoons from shore at the new Town of Webster Park, casting from the rocks. I think a lot of the browns that end up spawning in Webster and I Creek stage off Oklahoma and then run on later rain events.
  11. I don't see an adipose fin on the top fish, so I'm going with emerald shiner. I used to get lots of these in with the smelt when we dipped at Russell Station, and a lot of guys couldn't tell the difference (at least until they came out of the fryer.) The bottom look like small sunfish, we used to catch lots of these in early August in minnow traps in a shallow area of Fourth Lake where the pumpkinseeds spawned, and when we get landlocks in August, they are generally full of these even when there are good year classes of smelt in the Lake. They do not work as bait, however as they don't keep well in a minnow bucket, and they don't stay alive on the hook.
  12. I ask because the hatchery worker I know says they have sufficient cohos in the tanks, and they are done with Kings, so what is the justification for closing now?
  13. Regardless of your motivation, you'll need to get an Article 15 permit for every stream you intend to disturb, and you will also need landowner or municipal permission for anything you don't have title to, both for the permits, and to avoid possible trespass charges.
  14. When you get your magic powder, do you think you could grab me one of those geese that lays the golden eggs, or one of the spinning wheels that turns straw into gold?
  15. If the deed for a property includes the riparian rights, that includes fishing and it vests with the landowner, and the courts have ruled on that. I know landowners in the Adirondacks who pay taxes to the low water line on their lakes and I contend that they have the right to tell people they can't anchor or contact the bottom rom that point inland whether inundated or not. If you are on a public lake ( anything with more than tow landowners, and the bottom is under NYS h jurisdiction, you can basically sit 1 foot off the end of a dock and fish as long as you are not impeding navigation. Of course, I might decide it was time for a little RAP concerty in my front yard if people got too close.
  16. Time to take a road trip with the canoe and go up and anchor next to my buddy John!
  17. Or maybe they changed the name to the Department of Environmental Commerce! I have 9 rods that I use for Great Lakes fishing. And about 25 more for inland lakes and streams.
  18. If you owned a motel in Pulaski that could charge a 30% premium for a room in September and October, and still be booked solid, you would see it as a me me me attitude.
  19. I sent a comment to a friend at DEC to the extent that if the situation is critical enough to close the fly section, it would be logical to additionally require the release of all hens, and reduce the limit on males, and require salmon fishers to stop " fishing" once they had retained a limit, which would also help with the crowding and social distancing, which has to be a joke on some of those pools. Since the second cut was 20% of what remained after the first 20%n , it is actually a 36% cut by my math.
  20. I didn't realize the agency had been renamed the Department of Economic Conservation. I pay the same amount for a license to fish that you do. You also buy a license from the Federal Government to operate a livery service. I know and speak for lots of businesses that rely on the tributary fishery as well, so I am certainly a stakeholder.
  21. I think Dave has had a captains license, I know that his wife has a guides license. I introduced a few people like Francis Betters, the Adirondack fly tying guru, and Tom Rosenbaur, vice president of Orvis, to the Tributaries, but that was back before Fran Verdoliva got his job with the State. I realized that I could either guide or fish, and decided that I would rather fish and keep the day job, and then maybe get my license when I retired, but I don't have the energy to walk someone else all over the place all day, so when I can get away, I just fish. I believe Steve LaPan has explained the various stakeholder groups on numerous occasions at SOL and SOR meetings. He picked people who he, or other staff at DEC, knew from prior involvement with the fishery. I go back to before the first stocking cuts ( you must remember the Jolliff Paper, I still have a copy). As I worked in Environmental Science, I was often a resource to the Fisheries Advisory Board, of which I am now an at large member. Bill Abraham tapped me to facilitate at the Fisheries Congress (and when was there any "election" to the representation for that, Region 8 reps were all from the Charter Industry or government, no tributary anglers, although Regions 7 and 9 sent some). I often suspected to keep me from criticizing it, and I met Jerry Barnhardt and I think Steve Hurst through that function. I have sent written comments on most proposals and management actions for over 30 years. So I guess I have demonstrated a knowledge of the science and the data of the fishery, a willingness to listen to intelligent commentary, I have a track record of concern for the tributaries; in short I walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk. It was my understanding that I was asked to be on the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission Stakeholder panel because of my background in science and involvement in the fishery and the lake from outside the DEC. It is my sense from seeing the makeup of the group that I was the US counterpart to Jon Johnson, a very brilliant Canadian Scientist I met in many other contexts ( Stormwater, Blue Green Algae and Cladophora, type E Botulism, etc) on the panel. The " Secret" hatchery meeting was a one shot. I am not on any group that has met in less than a year, maybe it's two, other than MCFAB. But if you are worried about the GLFC panel, such illustrious Lake Personalities as Bob Songin, Vince Perlioni, and Jerry Ferluca do a great job of representing the "fill the box" crowd, and they were not elected, and I think all three serve on other stakeholder groups, so it is not like I am getting inordinate opportunity to influence decisions. As to the Atlantic Salmon, I stopped lobbying for a major Atlantic program for the lake back when Carl Widmer was still running the show down here and they tried and failed to get them established in Irondequoit Creek, but I didn't argue against it, especially if it is the Feds who are doing it and paying for it. And Jim Johnson was another of the great scientists I was privileged to meet and work alongside during my career.
  22. The League club prosecutes trespassers religiously, and maintains a security staff to patrol their property.
  23. There are really no other tributaries that offer the same morphology, although Oak Orchard and The Sandies up north come close, especially for swinging flies. The Niagara is overwhelming, the Genesee and the Oswego are very large and also urban, the smaller tributaries are smaller. The Salmon is "just right"! I have spots that are closer, but I will still make sure I get up to Pulaski for at least a couple of days this fall, unless the emperor declares everything closed again.
  24. Try the Bungalo's Club waters on Spring Creek in Caledonia, or the Garbutt Club in Wheatland, maybe some of the club water on the Beaverkill. I think you'd get some grief from the Adirondack League Club fishing their section of the Moose.
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