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  1. I have been preoccupied with the COVID so had not checked here in quite some time. This is the best Thread I have seen on this site, so much information on the history, I had no idea the company went back so far. Thank you all for this great work on preserving a significant portion of Finger Lakes History.
  2. https://maine.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZEsd-uqqzojUiMyYO9rGYfH_r-z1DojGw
  3. I received this from Jesse LePec at New York Sea Grant today, and some of you may be interested. Sorry about the short notice, I just got myself.. Interested in hearing more about SBA loans to support the fishing industry? What bills are in the pipeline to support small- and community-based fisheries? Join us for a webinar with SBA, the US House on Natural Resources Committee, and Castlemain Group: Amy K. Bassett, District Director, Maine District Office, U.S. Small Business Administration Lora Snyder, Staff Director, Water, Oceans, and Wildlife Subcommittee, House on Natural Resources Committee. Christy Whitmore, Business Development Advisor, Castlemain Group, a liaison between the Department of Fisheries and Oceans' Pacific Integrated Commercial Fisheries Initiative and 24 Commercial Fishery Enterprises in British Columbia When: April 8, 12:00 - 1:30 PM ET Location: Zoom video conference. Registration required: https://maine.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZEsd-uqqzojUiMyYO9rGYfH_r-z1DojGw Focus: Understanding resources to support small- and community-based fishing businesses across country during the COVID-19 pandemic.
  4. Tue, Mar 31 at 12:13 PM DEC Delivers - Information to keep you connected and informed from the NYS Department of Environmental Conservation Share or view as a web page || Update preferences or unsubscribe Response to COVID-19: A Message to Fishing Charters, Guides and Anglers Fishing Safely This Season New York State is open for fishing and DEC encourages anglers to recreate locally at a nearby waterbody. New York's lakes and streams offer great opportunities for fishing in a wide array of settings across the state. Even during the current COVID-19 public health crisis, getting outdoors and connecting with nature while angling in New York's waters is a great way to help maintain mental and physical health. Please continue to follow the CDC/New York State Department of Health guidelines for preventing the spread of colds, flu, and COVID-19: Try to keep at least six feet of distance between you and others. Avoid close contact, such as shaking hands. Wash hands often or use a hand sanitizer when soap and water are not available. Avoid surfaces that are touched often, such as doorknobs, handrails, and playground equipment. When fishing, DEC recommends avoiding busy waters and following the guidelines on DEC's website about fishing responsibly in New York State. If an angler arrives at a parking lot and there are several cars, they should consider going to another parking lot. If an angler is fishing upstream, they should fish downstream of the other angler or consider fishing another day. Anglers fishing from boats should always be able to maintain at least six feet of distance between one another. For more information about the benefits of being outdoors safely and responsibly, go to DEC's website. Charters and Guides The "New York State on PAUSE" Executive Order, a 10-point policy to assure uniform safety for everyone during the COVID-19 response, includes a directive that all non-essential businesses statewide must close effective at 8 p.m. on Sunday, March 22, and temporarily bans all non-essential gatherings of individuals of any size for any reason. At this time, fishing guides or charters of any size have been determined to be not essential and are subject to workforce reduction requirements of the Executive Order. The full and updated guidance on which types of businesses are determined essential and other designations associated with the order can be found online.
  5. Is there some kind of official announcement that has escaped many of us on suspension of the trawls? I know it was announced that charter fishing is verboten yesterday, but I've seen nothing on the science end.
  6. While you are asked to stay at home, it is the elderly (70+) that are required to remain at home and indoors except for essential services like visits to the grocery store or pharmacy or to get gas, under Matilda's Law. All NYS residents when out are required to maintain a 6 foot social distance at this point. All should follow scrupulously the advise on hand washing, especially after being out in public, and to not touch their face except after hand washing. And if you are sick or suspect you may have been exposed, like maybe someone you were with in the last 14 days has become symptomatic, you should act as if you were exposed, and self isolate. We have not gone to Wegman's in 9 days and hope to postpone the next ional trip until next week, and then try to stay on a once every other week schedule. Drive thru restaurants had to maintain an extremely sanitary procedure when they were sit-down. The food is cooked and transferred to a container without any manual contact, gloves are used for any process that does not get cooked, like a salad, and the tools (spatulas, etc.) are cleaned frequently. Our upstate Public Health Departments are pretty aggressive in pushing food safety, and the owners cooperate for the most part because they know that nothing kills a business faster than a food borne illness outbreak. It has been a violation of health code for a sick employee to go to work and for an owner to let a sick employee work for a long time, so that is nothing new.. .
  7. I remember the days when I was young and knew much more than my father about everything. I was amazed by how much he learned over the next 10 or so years. And now I know the whole truth about that one, I wish he was still around so I could apologize some more. The youth live in Id, and that often makes them idiots (credit to Johnny Hart)..
  8. From The NYSDEC Website, in terms of what is announced as cancelled: DEC Announces Rainbow Trout Sampling for Finger Lakes Tributaries Cancelled New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) Regional Director Paul D'Amato today announced the cancellation of this year's rainbow trout sampling in Finger Lakes tributaries to reduce the community spread of COVID-19. Sampling was scheduled for Thursday, March 19, at Naples Creek in Ontario County, and Friday, March 20, at Cold Brook (Keuka Inlet) in the hamlet of Pleasant Valley, Steuben County. . Nothing there about cancelling April 1, but it would be logical to help maintain the 6 feet, and keeping us "old farts" at home, where we are recommended (and will likely be mandated) to stay. Someone who is over 60 and continues to travel freely, and gets the bug, is just as irresponsible as the kids on the beaches of Florida. So as nice as the weather has been, and as much as I know where there are oodles of fresh and not so fresh chromers, I have hung up the rods as the stream does not flow through my back yard, which is where I am hearing the authorities say I ought to be limiting myself to. If I have to go out to get a prescription on Tuesday, I'll be out early, same if I decide I have to have dairy and fresh vegetables, but otherwise these old walls are going to get very tiresome before I get to travel again. The parks are open for the younger set, especially the caregivers tending kids. Be aware that a lot of them are open but the bathrooms and facilities are locked, so bring your trowel and TP (if you managed to get some before the crowns descended) so you can dig a cat hole if Nature beckons. I am going to try to get clarification on whether hiking a stream might be allowed even for "the olds," but I may not hear back as all my old friends at MCDPH are up to their earlobes in interviewing possible vectors. AND A HUGE THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE FOLKS PUTTING IN ALL THAT ADDITIONAL TIME TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY.
  9. Thank you very much. Yes, I've used Ugly sticks for other things , and you can practically run them over with a truck and keep using them. I prefer something longer for flatlining rods with the 14 foot boat I use in the mountains, to increase the spread, but I have been using a light action Gander Guide series 7 footer for my Canon mini-troll downrigger (all state of the art equipment…. in 1975!) with reasonable success.
  10. It is interesting that the people who are most rational in their reaction to all this are medical professionals.
  11. Yes, Monroe County still has viable industries, businesses, educational institutions, and tourist attractions that draw visitors, so of course we will get vector borne diseases sooner than some of the surrounding areas that may only have to worry about inbred maladies!
  12. I can just see Cuomo cancelling opening day of the trout season to eliminate the shoulder to shoulder crowd around the big digger in Naples, or the throng at Powdermill, even after sending hundreds of thousands of college age potential vectors back to their aging parents from SUNY schools But as Gator says, there is a LOT we don't know yet. I'm not sure how much more quickly the Feds could have initiated the China travel ban, they got lambasted as xenophobes when they did start. And I don't know how much information the Chinese actually shared that would facilitate further action. I know my wife is under a partial travel ban, if she leaves town on any business, her workplace requires her to self quarantine for 14 days on return, that will put the kibosh on any distance camping or fishing trips. I'm still with Dr. Mendoza, keep washing those hands. Personally, I think there is a huge amount of over reacting going on, and I'm in the high risk group. But I remember West Nile, we were all going to die then, too.
  13. To the same extent that our native Atlantic Salmon were Landlocked Salmon. Although they could theoretically migrate to the ocean, and some did, the vast majority stayed in the Lake, and , in terms of the classic definition of an anadromous fish as one spawned in freshwater that migrates from freshwater into salt water to feed and grow and then back to freshwater to spawn, our "steelhead" are landlocked rainbows, but other than the lack of salt, they are virtually identical fish. More important with our fish are the two strains, the longer, more silvery Chambers Creek fish raised at Altmar, and the stockier "domestic" strain descended from the Seth Green imported McCloud River strain rainbows raised at Randolph.
  14. Sounds like a interesting rig, do you just run them on downriggers, or as cheaters? More specs on the rod? I have caught quite a few trolling in the Adirondacks, and the largest I got, 26" and about 6 lbs, was a total dog. But the majority are insane fighters even on lead core. I'm looking at rods and reels to set up some shorter cores, and need a rod lighter than the Kunan 9 weight flyrod I have been using. As to the weather, it has been a very November-like late winter, and it was a very winter-like November, so I can understand if the fish are a little confused. Steelhead have been cutting heavily in a lot of gravel, and that is nearly a month early, too, in the places I frequent..
  15. I wonder if the quality of the fight in the lake has to do with catching them on relatively short rods built to handle from 2 to 6 ounces of weight. They fight (the couple I've caught)at least as well as steelhead in the streams when the water is warmer, and steelhead in warmer river water swim rings around kings, just don't get as big.
  16. The NYS Record is 24 lbs 15 ounces. They are the rarest because there are so few stocked. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7935.html
  17. 3 (trout & Salmon in any combination, no more then 2 Rainbow and steel minimum length: 15" except 21" for the rainbow and 1 Atlantic salmon 25" min and 2 lake trout ( no more than I between 25" and 30")
  18. So millions in Lake Ontario communities taking drinking water from the Lake should compromise the quality of their drinking water for the convenience and enjoyment (and personal benefit) of a few (how many really, especially in relation to all that are using the lake, not just for drinking, but for industrial and other recreational uses that are impacted by filthy nearshore water), or subsidize the fishery by paying higher treatment costs? As to raising the nutrient levels, way back in the 90's when these levels started to hit the 10 µg/L target set for offshore waters (which says to me that nutrient levels have been adequate to support this "world class" fishery for quite a while, while still meeting the goals) there was a hue and cry from the "commercial livery" fishing community, and a suggestion at one meeting for a sort of grass roots movement to haul PO4 fertilizers out to deep water to dump them. I believe it was the Fish Doctor that was working for DEC at the time, and did a quick dimensional analysis, and indicated that if every boat on the lake hauled a 40 lb bag out every day, this would not raise the deep lake concentration even 1 µg/L. The picture is a lot more complex than just the nutrient loading, PO4 fate now that we have Dreissenids filtering it off and leaving it sequestered at the bottom in pseudofeces, the disappearance of Diporea in much of the lake, shifts in the weather patterns (or Climate Change for those who prefer), likely some factors even the "Pros from Dover" have not put their collective fingers on yet. It should also be understood that there is raw sewage going into the lake in many places even with all the pollution control efforts. Even the Monroe County Pure Waters Combined Sewage Overflow Abatement Project, which reduced untreated wet weather discharges to the Genesee River from " every rain event from 38 discharge points" to, on average, one discharge per year per discharge point, at least until these more intense rain events of the last few years, lets combined sewage and stormwater go when it does discharge; it is simply too expensive to build a collection and treatment system that captures events of a frequency of less than the ten year storm. And manure (animal sewage) is still routinely spread on frozen ground and then runs off to streams all over the watershed, and large amounts of chemical fertilizers are used on crops for which USDA has not developed maximized application rates, look at the loading to Oak Orchard from areas like the Elba muck. The Canadians around Toronto have been ahead of this country on Non Point Source Control, a lot of New York Communities sought out their input years ago, and they are working on Point Sources as well, but the area has been " booming" in population growth. which greatly complicates infrastructure planning and construction. In the Finger Lakes, I'm hearing a lot of concern for increasing nutrient levels in Seneca, Cayuga and Canandaigua, and at the same time in Seneca a lot of complaining about a decline in the fishery, and concerns about the other lakes. And, last I heard, the major uncontrolled nutrient source for Erie is the Maumee River, just upstream from Toledo, how is that working for drinking water there?
  19. Gizzard Shad. Back when Carl Widmer was still at NYSDEC, some of us asked him about putting Striped Bass in Lake Ontario because the stripers will chow on the gizzards heavily, and a lot of them are too big for much else. He said they would outcompete the smallmouth which are a world class fishery and native, so they would not take chances with an outside introduction. Gizzards are basically plankton feeders, and I wonder if Kings will mistake the smaller ones for Alewife, but I don't think there is a lot of temperature overlap when the shad are the right size. I see tons for them in The Genesee in the fall, 2-3", and I think early steelhead and browns eat them, certainly silvery white bunny flies will catch a bunch of fall fish when they are actively chasing..
  20. The article says the fish had a 27" girth. If he used a 10" blade, the circumference ( distance around the hole or girth) would be 3.14 (pi)*d(10") =31.4". It was probably dicey getting his head into the hole , looks like they had some kind of gaff, but no need to risk cutting the line enlarging the hole.
  21. Too bad we can't get a lot of the tributary "anglers" to adopt this practice!
  22. If you are still considering the upper Genesee, the current issue of NY Outdoor News ( mine came yesterday, it will be on the newsstand in a week or so) back page article has a nice feature with a map of the PFR upstream from Belmont, and a little more detail; on fishing down there. Lots ( ~ 18 miles) of public access, no boat necessary. I'm very partial to the Adirondacks, but I may be checking out this area this year, as it is a lot less driving, so I can do a day trip where I have to camp if I go up north.
  23. They report a 27" girth on the fish. With a 10" blade the hole is 10" x 3.14 (pi)= 31.4" circumference, so I imagine there were some anxious moments at landing! It also means I could probably get away with a 6" blade when I go ice fishing for Lake Trout around here.
  24. His "young boys" are 14 and 16, and should be capable of handling a canoe with proper instruction, and if it has capacity for three. But it always a wise decision to scout new flowing water before boating it, and make some decisions on where to float and where to line or carry.
  25. I have since seen that, and, yes, it will be a real hit to the brook trout ponds in the mountains. It will mean additional fish in some waters that are already infected with mussels, but I doubt DEC would truck fish that far, or stock them into the upper river as I have heard nothing of mussels above Letchworth (they could theoretically be below Letchworth due to impact from Conesus outlet and Hemlock outlet). But Jimski used the plural (hatchery closures), and I have only heard about Rome. It does kind of point out the need for some redundancy in raising sites, and if they can't clean up Rome or get away from the Delta Lake water source, maybe that become a new "Caledonia for Kings", but I'm not sure where they could put more brook trout culture. And kings raised in Rome are not going to be looking for west end water although they won't be imprinted on the Salmon River. Who knows, they could end up attempting to get to the Hudson and the NYC and NJ guys would not have to travel so far they could troll the East River!(Totally tongue in cheek!)
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