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  1. As to your question, 5 mph speed limit within 100 feet of an anchored boat, go out and anchor on Irondequoit Bay sometime and see how many observe that one (and it is 200 ft on I Bay!).
  2. Why do you exclude Fifth Lake? And why C+R only, the pike should not be in that lake to start with, removing them would do all the Trout and Salmon anglers a favor?
  3. DEC Delivers Press Release - Information to keep you connected and informed from the NYS Department of Environmental Conservation Share or view as a web page || Update preferences or unsubscribe DEC Announces State of the Fisheries of Seneca Lake Meeting Public Meeting October 2 As part of Governor Andrew M. Cuomo's NY Open for Fishing and Hunting Initiative, the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) announced today that DEC's Region 8 Fisheries Management Unit will present recent sampling results and summarize management efforts on Seneca Lake at a public meeting on October 2. "This public forum on the state of Seneca Lake fisheries provides an opportunity for DEC fisheries scientists to share their knowledge about fishery resources with the public," DEC Region 8 Director Paul D'Amato said. "New York provides excellent opportunities for interested anglers to interact with the managers studying these fisheries. Our staff is committed to sound management of the Finger Lakes' fisheries and strives to maintain high-quality angling opportunities and associated economic benefits." The Finger Lakes and their tributaries support thriving populations of fish, including a variety of trout and salmon, bass, walleye, yellow perch, panfish, and esocids. Seneca Lake, the largest of the Finger Lakes, comprises more than 43,300 acres. A 2007 statewide angler survey estimated 178,340 angler days were spent on Seneca Lake making it the 8th most fished water in the State. The estimated value of these fisheries exceeded $5.9 million to the local economy. The meeting, hosted by Hobart and William Smith Colleges, will be held on Tuesday, October 2, 2018, from 6:30 - 9:00 p.m. in the Vandervort Room, Scandling Campus Center at Hobart and William Smith Colleges, 300 Pulteney Street, Geneva, NY (Ontario County). Ample parking is available. For directions and a campus map, visit the Hobart and William Smith Colleges website (link leaves DEC webpage). DEC biologists will provide updates on the status of trout and salmon fisheries, warmwater fish, fishing regulations, water quality and DEC's Angler Diary Program. There will be time allotted at the end of the scheduled program for the audience to interact with the presenters. http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/77537.html
  4. The Temperature in the River dropped into the low sixties last week (as reported downtown at Ford Street). They could have headed up on that, but it was also very muddy. As of today it is back up into the low seventies.
  5. Are the boats that tight right at the mouth? That would say the circus will get going upstream any day now.
  6. Florence is not supposed to be a factor in our weather until Tuesday. Or not!!
  7. Lucky13

    How do I close my acct

    He originally asked a "simple question" about kayak trolling in the Salmon River estuary, and apparently could not handle the level of detail graciously provided by those of us who responded. We should have just told him to stay under the bridge!
  8. Lucky13

    How do I close my acct

    It takes one to know one!
  9. Lucky13

    Salmon river tackle

    Don't post to begin with asking questions and partially reading the answers! The guy who posted about one rod two rods, and Lake Huron sounded Canadian. You sound like a EDITED. You are welcome, and...and EDITED! Topic Closed & Locked
  10. Lucky13

    Salmon river tackle

    The above sounds like it is Canadian. I think the OP is asking about the Salmon River in New York. He was asking about the estuary, which comes under tributary regulations, in his other post. The estuary is a part of the river regulations and begins at the lake as follows, "From the upstream most navigation buoy located between the breakwalls at the mouth of the river upstream to the County Rt. 52 bridge in Altmar." That is all of the river except the fly only sections. http://www.eregulations.com/newyork/fishing/special-regulations-great-lakes-tributaries/ Until October 15, one hook point, which also means one rod. After October 15, floating lures can have multiple points, but you will not likely be in the estuary then. If you are out in the lake in NYS, you can use three rods, but that I want to see with a kayak, it is hard enough alone in a small boat. IF you do go out in the big pond, remember that it changes VERY rapidly, and is VERY unforgiving.
  11. Lucky13

    Warm welcome. BIG thanks.

    You will finds that the difficulty in this area is deciding where to go and what to fish for, as there are so many places that hold fish and so many varieties of fish. Even if it is winter and pretty much a steelhead game, it can be problematic to decide where to go try for them, and a summer charter can also present issues of what to go after. Spring and Fall, forget about it!!!! Thanks for the compliment to the Rachacha area, we usually get told we are smug!
  12. "My intuition tells me that if on the 4th, 9th, 6th & 14th trawls of the year, they had shifted their longitude to the right by a few degrees instead of the left, the years results might have been different." Random distribution would say that there is an equal chance of hitting the big pod or the empty one. If the pooled mean for a year is going down in relation to prior year's means, it is an indication that the overall population has declined. If there is that much more bait out there, in a random sampling you should hit more of those big pods. The trawl methods were vetted by Sea Grant, and were indicated to be representative and provide a fair measure of the bait. If they switched to a random trawl method, there would be comparability issues, and, of course, everyone would say they ran the wrong random trawl transects, unless they liked the data they saw. Back to Andy Todd, if you want to continually reject and second guess the data, maybe it is time to save some money, just dump in a big bunch of fish, and let the chips fall where they may.
  13. Now there's an erudite rebuttal!
  14. The Charter Captains watch the bait on $1000 depth finders; the Scientists use long established transects at multiple locations around the lake, and they also get data on age and condition of the bait. The principle behind the transect method is that you get a representative sampling of what is out there, and you are pooling a large amount of sampling. When the transects were producing much larger numbers 20+ yeas ago, there was a lot more bait out there. I have not heard " there is too much bait" in a long time, please quote the scientist(s) who said that. To use your method you would have to get consensus on who those top 5 captains are, good luck with that! Leave it up to VP and Songin, they will increase stocking and the alewife very well may collapse, and then you can kiss the king goodbye, no bait, no salmon. If you want to dump the science, we should do as Andy Todd from OMNRF suggested a few years back at a Rochester SOL meeting, just dump a bunch of fish in the lake and see what gets caught, and if you end up with a bunch 10 lb cookie cutters, so be it, but lets not spend all this money on monitoring that everyone is just going to second guess anyway, especially based on some little graph screens and a few stomach samples. The Objectives say TROPHY king, not a box full of teeners. Maybe those guys catch a lot of fish (but then didn't everyone this year, except of course the Canadians?) but even Vince is not all science.
  15. Thank you Long Line and Shore lunch for saving me a lot of typing. Who appointed these “ ambassadors of the Lake”, Trump? What degrees in Fisheries Science do they possess? I have a lot of respect for Jerry and know that he studies all this in detail, but I’m going with past SOL meetings and Annual Reports, not scuttlebutt from the docks ( especially if it didn’t come from Jerry!). And no fish come from anywhere else now due to the problems with diseases everywhere, even if excess eggs were available. As others have pointed out, it is the bait that is the issue, and what I’ve seen and heard about the bait data is that last year is not overwhelmingly good, just moderately acceptable. So if you want to gamble with your fishery, now‘s the time.
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