Lucky13

??????? Caledonia has not closed, and it is in use for raising Brown Trout. From the DEC Website: "Caledonia Hatchery (585-538-6300) located in Livingston County in the Village of Caledonia, is the oldest hatchery in New York State and the Western Hemisphere. Caledonia Hatchery rears brown trout and rainbow trout. Virtually all of the two-year-old brown trout used in DEC's stocking program for 13-15 inch trout are produced at Caledonia Hatchery. Annual production is approximately 170,000 pounds." It is my understanding that the rainbows referred to here are actually raised in Cedar Springs due to the whirling Disease that is in Sprng Creek now, but Cedar Springs is just lumped in with Caledonia due to joint staffing and proximity, Cedar Springs is a couple of miles from Caledonia. The usual beef from the West End Charter fleet is that the State should be raising kings in Caledonia and screw the inland fishermen's needs for bigger brown trout. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7742.html While I would agree that additional Brown Trout stocking would be the least likely to impact the alewife population because the Browns are more benthic oriented and appear to be feeding more on Gobies at this point, I don't think DEC will increase stocking of any predator until the alewife population has stabilized and increased, as measured in the long running trawl program.

If you are referring to Cedar Springs, it was in use for raising Rainbows (Spring Creek is not able to be used for this because of Whirling Disease), and if you have not seen it take a look on an Aerial photo sight to get sense of how small it is. And Ancient as well.

Capacity is determined by whatever limits production so whether it is lack of raceway space or water issues, they are at capacity. Kind of like amount of food limits what you can grow in a pasture regardless of how big the pasture is.

Can you name a hatchery that has capacity hat is not being used. It is my sense that they are pretty much running full bore.

Come to think of it, there was a morning on the Salmon River about 35 years ago when the late Keith Smith, who guided for Whitakers, ran out of sacks and used a butt, and caught chrome on that for a while.

Sorry, I didn't see that someone had already posted this.

DEC: Anglers' Report Confirms New York's World-Class Freshwater Fishing New York's Freshwater Sportfisheries Generate More Than $2 Billion a Year and Support More Than 10,000 Jobs New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) Commissioner Basil Seggos today announced that the state's world-class fishing opportunities continue to draw anglers from near and far to New York's many productive freshwater sportfisheries. New data on angler effort, patterns, preferences, and attitudes was released today as part of DEC's statewide survey of freshwater anglers, which helps DEC assess both the biological and human dimension aspects of managing New York's freshwater fisheries. "New York is privileged to have an amazing diversity of freshwater resources," Commissioner Seggos said. "From remote Adirondack brook trout streams and ponds to the magnificent Great Lakes, our state's freshwater fisheries are among the very best in North America. DEC is committed to effectively managing these resources to maintain high-quality angling opportunities and the recreational and economic benefits they provide. These survey results reinforce what New Yorkers already know-freshwater angling in New York State is not only alive and well, it's thriving-and this survey will help guide our efforts in the years to come." New York State offers world class fishing for a wide variety of cold water and warm water species. Whether it is smallmouth bass fishing on Lake Erie, brook trout fishing on a crystal-clear Adirondack lake, Pacific salmon fishing on Lake Ontario, fishing for stripers on the Hudson River, brown trout fishing on the Beaver Kill or fishing for panfish on a local pond, there is something special in New York for every angler. In its 2019 rankings, and for the first time ever, Bassmaster Magazine named the St. Lawrence River as the top bass fishing destination in the nation. DEC has surveyed its licensed freshwater anglers once every decade since 1973. The survey announced today was conducted in 2018, and summarizes the input provided by approximately 11,000 anglers that fished the freshwaters of New York State during the 2017 calendar year. Combined direct, indirect, and induced economic impacts of freshwater angling in New York State totaled an estimated $2.14 billion and supported 10,961 jobs in 2017. Of this total, out-of-state anglers contributed approximately 26 percent, or $564 million. Freshwater anglers spent an estimated $252 million at New York fishing destinations in 2017, and an additional $204 million was expended at home or while traveling to fishing destinations. Purchases of fishing equipment and fishing-related equipment such as boats, motors, etc., generated an estimated $1.8 billion in additional expenditures. Results of the survey revealed significant increases in angler effort for a number of waters when compared to a 2007 angler survey. The Saranac River experienced the greatest increase in angler effort (150 percent) as more anglers visited to fish primarily for smallmouth bass and brown trout. There was an increase of 141 percent in the number of anglers fishing Irondequoit Creek, a Lake Ontario tributary near Rochester, with a focus primarily on brown trout and steelhead. The Delaware River in southeastern New York has long been popular for trout fishing, and angler effort increased by about 140 percent from 2007. Conesus Lake saw an increase of 155 percent in angler activity, with northern pike, largemouth bass, and smallmouth bass among the lake's most popular species. Other waterbodies that experienced a marked increase in angling activity included Whitney Point Reservoir (76 percent), Lake Champlain (72 percent), and the Batten Kill (61 percent). Freshwater anglers enjoyed an estimated 19.89 million angler days in 2017 in New York's inland and Great Lakes waters, slightly more than a similar survey conducted for 2007. Many anglers fished for warmwater gamefish (44 percent), primarily largemouth and smallmouth bass. Coldwater gamefish were also popular (28 percent), including brown trout, rainbow trout, brook trout, steelhead, and Chinook salmon. Anglers fished primarily on inland lakes and ponds (49 percent), inland streams and rivers (25 percent), and the Great Lakes and their tributaries (22 percent). In his 2020 State of the State Address (leaves DEC website), Governor Cuomo proposed the Restore Mother Nature initiative, the nation's most aggressive program for significant habitat restoration and flood reduction. Restore Mother Nature will reduce flood risk and revitalize critical fish and wildlife habitats by connecting streams and waterways, right-sizing culverts and dams, restoring freshwater and tidal wetlands, reclaiming natural floodplains, restocking shellfish populations and upgrading fish hatcheries, preserving open space, conserving more forest areas, replanting more trees, reducing contamination from agricultural and stormwater runoff, and expanding renewable energy. One of the goals of the initiative is to make New York the top state for recreational fishing. As part of a proposed $3 billion Environmental Bond Act, New York would invest in its world-class fish hatcheries. The Governor's program will also improve New York's network of fishing access sites, hand launch boat sites, and public fishing rights with an emphasis on warmwater streams and rivers. Full results of DEC's Statewide Angler Survey can be found at DEC's website. www.dec.ny.gov/press/press.html

I am sure you are aware that as soon as you apply scent, for purposes of regulations, you are no longer fishing an artificial lure, but have crossed into the "dark side" of bait fishing. So if it is legal to fish bait, I just hang an egg sack off the "fly", generally a glo bug if I think bait is needed. I am considering using nitrile gloves on some days to see if I catch more fish, as I still persist in my dirty and unhealthful smoking habit, and I've never seen a fish with a cigar in its mouth. But I see lots f pinners hooking up while cranking on cigarettes and vapers, so it will just be an experiment.

I have 4 of them, ordered them from Cabela's, as stated they are very strong, adjustable for all kinds of attachment points, they work on the gunwales of my Old Town Sport and on the thwarts of my Raddison, even hold a fly rod. I do add a tether to them in case they loosen up, so they are tied to the boat, but they are a fine product.

In line spinners work great for Steelhead, but they have to have a single hook, and you might want a little heavier wire than is normally used.

More helpful information and commentary.

I would be surprised if NYSDEC didn't have some of the print guides with them this weekend. Or stop at a tackle shop that sells licenses, they should have one. Nice picture of Rose Gerych, the East end fish head counter until this year, and her daughter, with a steelhead on the cover.

If you use the same lb test and no leader, and you break off, there is a chance you will break off a lot of line. Not only is that expensive for you, now there is a lot of line hanging in the current downstream, helping to guide subsequent presentations to additional snags, or making you think you have a bite every time you go through that part of the run. If you were using a braid main line you can leave a wire like trap to cut up other folks waders, and your own. With a swivel tied to your main line and a lighter leader, you likely only lose the shorter leader, which can be pre-tied. Float is the same as bobber, you just carry extras, but the longer thinner floats work better than the old spherical red and white jobbies. Go to the Niagara show, you will likely find all this and someone who can talk to you about it there. Even if they are talking about Center Pinning, the terminal end is set up the same, admittedly with a lot of detail in the shot placement.

I was taught to be efficient and helpful, not just always be wise a** stroking my own ego!