Lucky13
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A range is a good idea, if you hit high flows like the east end tribs are currently experiencing, a bigger "gob" of eggs can be more effective. Some of the Genny fishers tie them as big as golf balls. For more regular flows from dime to nickel size works good. A lot of egg fishers also tie them in different colors of mesh as well, and some add various scenting agents like garlic or anise. And many swear by Brown Trout eggs as being superior to anything else, but if all you have are salmon eggs, they work, too, and we certainly don't need anymore yahoos snagging brown trout just to get some eggs.
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What size are they?
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They are different genus. I don't find anything in the literature about hybridization between the two species, But if the Salmo Salar become established as " wild stock" they could compete with the native Onchorynchus for food and habitat, in the same way that the non native Onchorynchus could compete with the native slamo salar in the Gaspe streams.
From the State of Washington website:
Fish management issues of escaped Atlantic salmon
Existing biological data strongly suggests that escaped Atlantic salmon do not pose significant risk to native fish populations, based on research outlined in a 1999 report. Among the concerns addressed in that report:
- Competition: Evidence indicates non-native salmon species do not compete well against native species. Only a small percentage of Atlantic salmon recovered from marine waters have preyed on fish; there have been no observations of Atlantic salmon eating fish or fish eggs in fresh water.
- Predation: There is no evidence of predation by Atlantic salmon in fresh water, and only limited evidence in salt water. Most recovered Atlantic salmon have had empty stomachs.
- Disease transfer: Consideration was given to the transfer of fish pathogens from captive and escaped Atlantic salmon to native salmon stocks. There is no evidence indicating disease transfer from Atlantic salmon to native Pacific salmon. Fish pathogens infecting Atlantic salmon are endemic to Washington and appear to come from native fish stocks.
- Hybridization: The risk of escaped Atlantic salmon hybridizing with Pacific salmon is low. Research has demonstrated it is very difficult, even under optimal laboratory conditions, to cross-breed Pacific and Atlantic salmon and produce viable offspring. Should this rare event occur in the wild, the offspring would be functionally sterile and incapable of reproducing.
- Colonization: Evidence suggests this is unlikely. Attempts to establish Atlantic salmon outside the Atlantic Ocean have failed, and accidental releases of juvenile Atlantic salmon have not produced adults. Evidence on Vancouver Island indicates escaped Atlantic salmon have been able to produce juvenile Atlantic salmon, but there is no evidence that these "wild" Atlantic salmon have returned to their natal stream and successfully spawned.
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I don't belei9ve I read anything about "advocating for removing Pacific Salmon from the Great Lakes" here, this post was about escape of Atlantic Salmon from fish farms on the west coast. I know they are a little worried about similar impacts down on the Gaspe Peninsula from Cohos that leave LO and then run up Atlantic Salmon streams, but other than that, I have heard nothing about actually stopping the Pacific Salmon program, although there are biologists and others who feel the negatives of the introduction should be considered, and think Native species restoration is the ultimate end of all this.
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21 minutes ago, jimski2 said:
Natural reproduction does not have the winter growth rate that the spring water geothermal warmed water have for several months. The survival rate of the stream hatched salmon is expected to be poorer then the hatchery and pen raised salmon that reach the Lake.
Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario UnitedThe maybe the "hatch" is even larger in the river, because the 50% figure is based on what returned to the hatchery during the years of study. 50% had the adipose fin,(wild, no clip) 50% didn't (approximately).
From the 2015 summary:
"In 2008, NYSDEC purchased an automated fish marking trailer (AutoFish) which is capable of
adipose clipping and/or applying coded wire tags (CWTs) to salmon and trout at high speed
and accuracy. To determine the proportions of wild and hatchery Chinook salmon in Lake
Ontario, all Chinook salmon stocked by New York and Ontario from 2008-2011 were marked
with an adipose fin clip. Percentages of wild Chinook salmon in Lake Ontario varied by year
class and age and among regions from 2009-2015. The wild study was completed in 2015 and
overall, wild Chinook were an important component of the Lake Ontario fishery averaging
47% of the age 2 & 3 Chinooks harvested in the lake."
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The West Coast is British Columbia, a very different province than Ontario.
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3 hours ago, Todd in NY said:
I'm guessing these "escaped" salmon were being raised for restaurants.
Wegman's sells frozen farm raised Atlantic Salmon for, like, $15.99 for a 2 lb bag. If you are paying less than about 15.00 per lb for any salmon, it is likely farm raised. Wild Caught coho was over 20.00 per lb at Palmer's in Henrietta last year. Caveat: We're talking west coast wild caught fish from the ocean, not Genesee River falls mudshark sold on Fulton Street in NYC!
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They have been informed of that. For a while they used a spotter on the bridge, and they apprehended the poachers and the mules when they got to the top. Saves on wear and tear!
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According to Region 8 Fisheries, NYSDEC Law Enforcement is aware of the situation at the river and has been active there.
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At that size, it is likely a 2015 fish, no clipping yet.
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I never defended the idiot in Albany, either. It is so easy to wag fingers at someone else and ignore the data, especially if you are a career politician.
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I have some professional experience in hydrology. It is not a matter for opinion, it is a matter for science. Sure, there is a some small amount of backwater caused by the constriction, but in comparison to the scale of the Lake, it is insignificant. Make the channel deep enough and you end up with one lake, but that is not what you were ranting about. And you are the one who made all the noise about the "guvment conspiracy" to flood the lake, so rant on!
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Pulled up a fire tiger spoon down there last year that had the hook changed out to a single. Of course, it had a 1" gap, so it would have still drawn a ticket.
Region 8 Law Enforcement indicated at the SOL last year that they intended some heavier enforcement this fall, and that they were in communication with the City and the DA's office about the need for enforcement. Maybe they don't know that it is on already this year.
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As Gambler says, they are projected to be down to normal by December. I can also attest to it being higher, there is still water over the small pulloff on empire Blvd on Irondequoit Bay, and my fall fishing spot is still under water.
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On 10/5/2017 at 9:53 PM, GAMBLER said:
With the amount of rain we received this spring in a short duration, snow melt on tug hill and Lake Erie being well above the historical average, you can't just blame the dam. Even if the dam was not there, the St Lawrence can only let so much water out. With all the tributaries around the lake, the lake would still rise. Maybe not to the extent it did this year but it would still rise. The IJC could have let more water through the dam but shipping is apparently more important that thousands of home owners on Lake Ontario and the St Lawrence. Once the lake hit trigger levels, the IJC did not follow their own plan.
Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario UnitedIt is important to remember that at the other end of the St Lawrence, there is a large city that was 5.5 feet under water, and there was extremely high water coming out of the Ottawa River as well as the St Lawrence. If there is not a heavy enough ice over in January and February, it is not possible to release water at higher velocities without flooding the nearshores of the river, so the Board of Control was not able to " dump" water then. This was basically the "perfect storm" of high water problems, and would have occurred under any regulation plan in place, and may have been worse in the pre-Seaway condition. As to the shipping, they increased water release to the point where the big boats were starting to have navigation problems with the current levels and could have run aground at higher flows, leading to potentially damaging situations in the river. Please also note the well above average discharges (all the areas above the yellow dots) from the larger tributaries along the lake, and remember that the farmers around here had next to nothing planted at Memorial Day because it had been raining so much. The continued high discharges through the summer are a reflection of that continuing rain over much of the state. I know you get this, but a lot of these other guys don't have a clue.
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On 10/5/2017 at 8:15 PM, Bozeman Bob said:
The mouth of the Niagara River actually impedes much of the excess water with it narrow funnel shape. It will rise slowly but not enough to have any real repercussions on O. or the people that live along the river.
This is really funny. Sad that someone could think this way in this day and age, but, oh well!
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On 10/5/2017 at 7:55 AM, Bozeman Bob said:
First off "nature" had nothing to do with the actual flooding. It was all a result of a government installed dam on the St. Lawrence. No dam/no flooding. If the government came in and flooded the street you live on for whatever reason and destroyed your houses foundation along with the actual house would you be thinking you should be paying out of your own pocket for rebuilding your house ? I do not own waterfront property but I think every one that was affected can "thank" the government for completely screwing it up. And yes I would be first in line looking for reimbursement.
High and low levels were higher and lower prior to the seaway and " dam". Please look at the long term data plots, as they clearly reveal this fact. Please note that nearly all the monthly highs are pre 1950 and all the monthly lows are pre 1950. Perhaps the double the normal Rainfall in March and April, combined with the lack of ice cover in January and February which limited discharges in those months, combined with the lager than normal input from Lake Erie had something to do with the high water, but it is always more convenient to blame someone.
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From the 2016 DEC Report Highlights:
Each year, DEC stocks coho salmon as fall fingerlings (age 0) at six sites along the New York shoreline, and
as spring yearlings (age 1) at the Salmon River. As part of a continuing effort to evaluate the effectiveness of
stocking programs, the relative return of fall fingerling and yearling fish will be compared by adipose clipping
and coded wire tagging all coho salmon stocked by DEC from 2016-2018.
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Actually, virtually all the tribs have the 1/2 inch rule from September 1 to March 31. A few ponds and the lower Niagara are statewide regulations.
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That's a pretty good profit margin, if you can get it!
Leigh Condit used to make those, single hook of course, for use down in the Genny.
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Here, here, and you certainly covered the first three extremely well on Monday night!
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Here we go again. Get up here soon Lake Trout closes on September 30 and does not reopen until January 1.
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42 minutes ago, Gill-T said:
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This coming from a guy who calls his boat Gill-T Hooker?
43 minutes ago, Gill-T said:I know you and Lucky understand the biological reasons of why that feat would be impossible given the nature of Lake Ontario today so I would hope that you guys would shout down those whom are ill informed.
I think we have been doing this quite well for a number of years. I hope you understand that without the alewife, there is nothing for kings to eat, and the LO Committee efforts and restraint are geared toward prevention of that. And tributary anglers were certainly not the first to engage in "behind closed door meetings!"
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From New Paltz, I didn't think you would be driving to the Niagara!
Use what you have, if you can find other colors, a lot of guys swear by Red, Orange, Chartreuse, and in the Salmon, Blue.