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Allen Benas up the river at Clayton is good if you are looking for warmwater fish, especially muskies.

I can't remember but I think it was a wrenchy friend who works for a dealer.  He said Jeep says their roofs are not braced right for carriers, but that would make me worry about rollover, as that has to be a lot more stress than a boat.  I just stopped looking at them as I had also been told they have a lot of electrical problems, maybe my least favorite thing to have to deal with in a car.

On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 3:31 PM, Angler said:

Responding to your Grand Cherokee.  I use a Yakima Rack on top of a Dodge Journey and put the Frontier 12, 80 plus pounds up lone no problem.  The rack has a telescopic slide rod. google it.  Works great.

When I was shopping for a vehicle last time, I stopped looking at Jeeps when I was told that they don't recommend putting any kind of boat on the roof.    I went with a GMC puickup, then put on a Jerico cap with a Yakima system.

Take a look at a Native watercraft kayak, a friend has one and it is quite a little boat!,

11 minutes ago, momay4000 said:

Finally some science to back a claim!!

 

Thanks for sharing this very valuable information

 

Cheers,

 

Chris

It should also be remembered that large numbers of our salmon do return to the rivers as carrion, except where "harvest" is very successful.  You need nose plugs to walk around Altmar once the back channel in the Lower Fly zone fills up with deads!

On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 10:01 PM, jimski2 said:

The carcasses are food for the tiny critters at the bottom of the food chain. Imagine what happens if all the fish were removed from the lake if that would be possible. Salmon streams in Alaska require the carcasses to be placed back in the stream rather than landfill them. Millions of salmon spawn, die and become food for their offspring.


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West coast streams are nutrient poor, and without the carcasses, there would be nothing to feed the invertebrates the young salmon depend on, so the carcasses need to go back.  In New York, the nearshore is overly nutrient rich, and basically only the streams draining the tug hill are nutrient poor.  We don't need the carcasses so much.  If you lived down current and had all that offal washing up on your beach, along with the algae and dead gobies and other c**p, you would probably like to see a 1 mile offshore restriction for fish cleaning.

The launch is not run by NYS, the Town of Irondequoit has taken it over.

1 hour ago, jimski2 said:

The understanding of the mid summer thermocline movements is a necessity of your fishing success. Warm surface waters flow with the wind and cold thermocline waters replace them. But the thermocline waters at this time of are dissolved oxygen deprived. The blue clear water is not where the fish are. They travel with the green algae colored water where the forage fish are. Just look for the green water now in the warm water conditions. The thermocline is like a fence and the mixing of the different temperatures stops. The warm surface water is enriched with oxygen by the whitecaps at this time of year. In inland lakes the thermocline may be as high as twenty eight feet and fishing deeper is useless. Many fish now run to marinas or weed beds to escape the sun.

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Very well put!   However there can be oxygen in the thermocline. especially toward the top of it, but it will get lower in oxygen concentration as the summer progresses.  In  eutrophic waters like Irondequoit Bay the thermocline will be devoid of oxygen, but in oligotrophic lakes like Seneca, it could stay above 5 ppm O2 all summer.   According to Sanders guide, lakes like Hemlock and Canadice will maintain O2 in the thermocline all summer but the hypolimnion will be anoxic, and the epilimnion will be too warm, so the fish are in a narrow band of the thermocline.

And maybe they are hitting so well because of the "hole" in the Population of alewifes caused by the two bad winters.  Three alewifes is not a lot of food in a mature king stomach.

IF you want to really go after the responsible party for this year, you should have the rally in a church.  Water levels were right where they were last year until the rains in March and April.

Full moon was Sunday, but it has been bright for a week now. 

'Nanas don't go with beer, anyway!

Look at report 9.2 on Page 176.  Andy Todd had some very interesting slides of this at the SOL meetings last spring, as well.  SUNY Brockport did some work on this, way back, as well, for migration around the Lake.

http://www.glfc.org/loc_mgmt_unit/LOA 17.01.pdf

The information that the Canadians have been gathering on salmon migration around the lake, using telemetering equipment, says that the fish could basically be on one side of the Lake on Monday and the other end on Tuesday.  Are you suggesting that Canadian fish stay in Canada and NY fish stay in New York?

Too early for that data, they are basically just finishing up spawning.

21 hours ago, TileMan Dan said:

They need to seek permission before trimming trees. You should get them back to remove tree and replace it.


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At least in the City, the permission to trim comes with the easement.  I've been told they have 10 feet on either side of the tree, looks like the remainder of your tree was outside that.  With mine last year, they left 50% and it is in the 10 feet, I've got a surgeon coming to tell me if I should hassle the power company or just suck it up.  You are responsible for removing the wood, in my case it is balancing the remainder of the tree, which is heading toward the house.  The Company (not going to say it), said they trusted we would find their crews very efficient, they were, just like Sherman going through Atlanta, or Grant through Richmond! 

If there is a place to use clamps on the rail somewhere, Downeast makes great portable rod holders, got mine from Cabella's.   http://www.cabelas.com/product/fishing/fishing-tools/fishing-rod-holders|/pc/104793480/c/104720580/sc/104538780/down-east-single-clamp-rod-holder/699614.uts

They have gotten little pricier since I bought mine!

I'll have to admit to a great deal of surprise reading about the use of copper and leadcore nowadays, I thought it was still mainly riggers for LO.  I've been using the wire lines for a long time up in the 'daks, but riggers are a lot less useful in smaller lakes with very rough bottom structures, and you can adjust rapidly pulling wire.  There is almost nothing like hanging a downrigger ball on a granite ledge in 80 feet of water!

I fish the western 'daks in August.  We find the landlocks right on top on calm mornings, generally using Lake Clear wabblers with a 30 inch leader and a two hook gang and minnow.  You want to be on the water with the lights on the boat, well before legal sunrise, and we quit as soon as the skiers start, or the fog lifts, unless the fish are still showing here and there. 

Let's just please remember that that 7 lbs of Coho growth in a few months was in the presence of an uncontrolled, massive bait base.  It is a very different situation out in LO right now than the upper GL in 1966.

Even with the preliminary bait data indicating a better alewife year class last year, the size structure still says there is a 2 year "hole" in the population that will really start impacting adult kings next year and afterward for a while, so the ice on which we are skating is still a bit on the thin side. 

But please post the rest of it, Jerry, as this whole discussion will be coming up again very shortly, only about two months until egg take time, so the target numbers  discussion is looming.

Sutton 44's also work great anywhere that Mooselooks are used.

On ‎6‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 1:27 PM, justtracytrolling said:

Owasco is still loaded with walleye and they had nothing to do with the rainbow problem.  Anyone who doesn't see that the walleye weren't to blame  doesn't realize how many  are still in there!!! Besides in this area and rainbows are the introduced species.  I'm all for trout, but they coexist with walleye.

Here is what DEC reported in 2013.  My bold added.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/90304.html

Skaneateles Lake

• There are no alewives or rainbow smelt in Skaneateles Lake. The main forage base is yellow perch (young of year).
• Other important prey species are emerald shiner, sculpin, freshwater shrimp and Ephemeroptera (mayflies).
• Ephemerptera create a unique fishery in early-summer, as they are abundant with most species of fish feeding on them.
• Lake trout fishery is maintained entirely by natural reproduction (no stocking).
• The 2012 Skaneateles Lake stocking was 5,000 Finger Lakes Strain Wild (FLW) and 15,000 Finger Lakes Hybrid (FLW X domestic) rainbow trout, and 9000 Atlantic salmon stocked.
• Cisco numbers appear to be down in Skaneateles Lake. During the 1989 Standard Gang Netting 152 cisco were captured, only eight in 2008, and zero in 2012.
• VHS (Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia) was found in the lake in 2006 and may be a possible cause.
• 2012 angler diary cooperator legal fish/trip was 1.32 lake trout, 0.34 rainbow trout, 0.01 Atlantic salmon.
• Lengths of harvested salmonids by angler diary cooperators have increased in last few years, as have smallmouth bass lengths.

Owasco Lake

• The 2012 Owasco Lake stocking was 25,000 rainbow trout, 10,000 brown trout and 10,500 lake trout.
• Lake trout stocking has seen long term reductions.
• The significant walleye stockings occurred from 1996 to 2006. The Owasco Lake Anglers Association stocked from 1996-2001 and DEC from 2002-2006.
• Angler diary cooperator trips dropped below 250 in 2008 and has remained low since.
• Good mix of lake trout, rainbow trout and brown trout (including some real trophies) throughout the 1990s.
• Lake trout angler catch rates increased through early 2000s despite the population declining since the mid to late 1990s.
• The sharp declines in the brown trout and rainbow trout fisheries in the early 2000s coincided with the emergence of walleye in the fishery.
• Walleye and lake trout are both long lived and prey on stocked trout (and themselves!) and the effects of stocking changes take time.
• We maintained viable fisheries for brown trout and rainbow trout during and following peak lake trout abundance.
• The timing of the emergence of walleye in the fishery make them prime suspects contributing to the disappearance of the fisheries for brown trout and rainbow trout.
• So far we have taken steps in an attempt to recover the fisheries for brown trout and rainbow trout.
  • The loss of these fisheries was not discussed as an acceptable consequence of the walleye program.
  • Have not stocked walleye since 2006.
  • Reduced lake trout stocking over the long term.
  • Continued stocking brown trout and rainbow trout.
• We need to determine if this is the desirable direction (preferred by most) to take the fishery. Some anglers prefer walleye over trout, while other anglers prefer trout over walleye. We will not continue to manage the lake for both.
• We are doing a survey in 2013 to assess angler desires.

"Bucket Biologists" stocking their idea of a desirable fish into lakes where they are not found have ruined a huge number of fisheries in New York State, and should be discouraged whenever encountered.

Gill nets are only legal in the Finger Lakes, and not all of them.  The only legal net in Lake Ontario is a seine, maximum of 36 feet square, or a minnow trap, and I don't know that alewifes would go into a minnow trap.

A good spot from shore on Tupper is at the mouth of the Bog River, near the south end of the lake.  Nice picnic spot, too, and natural rock "waterslides" that are popular in the summer.

This is not the fishing reports section, it is open lake discussion, and how to get to a launch seems to be a good fit there, IMHO!