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  1. The rainbow fishery on Canandaigua Lake is a shadow of what it use to be or what it could be. Consider the number of bows reported by angler cooperators: Year 1973: 389 Year 1978: 335 Year 1985: 283 Year 2007: 19 Year 2008: 20 Year 2009: 35 Year 2010: 50 Year 2011: 80 Clearly, the lake is producing more bows than it did a few short years ago, however it's only at roughly 25% of it's glory years. Given the sparse returns in 2007 and 2008, DEC was justified in changing the regs (it takes several years). This was done after several public comment periods- as I recall very few people spoke up opposing the reduced bag limits. We haven't even had the chance to see if the new regs will rebuild the rainbow population, please give them a chance.
  2. The chemicals used to kill the Hydrilla, Endothall and Fluridone weren't applied in the concentrations that should have any effect on lake trout- especially miles away from the application sites. Details of the health effects ( on plants, animals and people) of these chemicals are on the home web page of the Tompkins County Health Department. Monitoring data is also supplied for many sampling points (including Bolton Point) for the entire appplication period. A lot of time and effort went into doing this right. That's one of the reasons that the treatments cost so much money.
  3. Absolutely a federal mater. US Corps of Engineers has jurisdiction of the canal and waterway since it is a navigable waterway. That's why Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Minnesota sued the Corps (not the State of Illinois or the City of Chicago) to try to get the study completed sooner and the locks closed. Case went all the way to the Supreme Court who sided with the Corps. Obama is spending $51.5 million this year to "study" the problem and operate the electronic fish barrier- which is highly unlikely to stop the carp migration into Lake Michigan. Reminds me of someone who fiddled while Rome burned.
  4. Probably would get introduced into a bunch of waters where they would be a big problem. There are serious reasons why they are illegal to use for bait. Also, I don't know a lot about salt water fishing, but the eels used at Montauk are probably sand eels, not lamprey eels.
  5. Don't look for any lampricide treatments on Cayuga anytime soon. DEC will continue to try to control them with the fishway on Cayuga Inlet. It works well unless there is a high water event that allows the spawning blood suckers to by pass the fishway trap. This years fishing regulations guide includes an impressive picture (page 28) of a large number of lampreys caught at the fishway and prevented from spawning. Those that remember the uproar in Ithaca when DEC last tried to treat Cayuga Lake proper will agree that in today's climate the "do gooders" in Ithaca will never agree to a treatment. Also, because the lake is home to lake sturgeon, which are on the federal endangered species list, DEC would NOT be allowed to treat the Cayuga Lake without federal approval. For what it is worth, the DEC didn't apply the TMF treatment that killed the walleyes in Sandy Creek. That was done by a team from Fisheries and Oceans Canada (don't we do anything ourselves in this country anymore?).
  6. In the not to distant future the Great Lakes will be infested with Asian carp- and our current sport fisheries will be a distant memory. Obama could have protected our fisheries, but he has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to protect them. If you care about fishing in the Great Lakes, you can't afford 4 more years of "nothing".
  7. The fish in the 50-60 foot range are probably smallmouths. It's very common to catch 4 to 6 pound suspended smallies (over open water) on this lake. (Even I can do it!)
  8. The NLTD dropped them because they still owe the derby money from like 4 years ago.
  9. Good to see you're helping trim the Keuka laker population. Thanks!
  10. Was Mike #1 driving, sleeping or at the fish market?
  11. DEC proposals are pretty much a done deal unless there was a huge negative response during the public comment period. All of the people I spoke with are in favor of the proposed changes, so I've confident they will "pass".
  12. Several years ago I caught a Seneca landlock that had 3 X 1 inch hunk of tree bark in its intestines. I have always wondered what the landlock was thinking when it ate it.
  13. The limit does NOT change to 5 lakers until the start of the new license year -October 1st. At that time, the limit will be 5 lakers on Seneca, Canandiagua, Keuka, Canadice and Hemlock. It will remain at 3 lake trout on Cayuga, Owasco and Skaneateles.
  14. Fish ran in both creeks in during the open season in December and those that survived the snaggers and lifters spawned a long time ago.....I started reading reports of spawned out rainbows being taken in the lakes as early as February. I went to the electrofishing on Naples on the 22nd and they didn't get many rainbows while I was watching; and the ones they did get werent' very big. I was told as a kid that when willow leaves are the size of a mouse's ear the rainbow runs are over.. so by that standard they are done.
  15. AC, your statement regarding lamprey eels "that evidence probably points to DEC neglect" bothers me. In recent years DEC has been hit with budget cuts, inadequate staffing and a lack of cooperation from some members of the general public. From what I have seen, the fisheries people (those that are left) are doing the best they can. DEC is NOT allowed to treat some sections of Catherine Creek with lampracide simpy because they are denied access by landowners. No wonder we have eels. Hopefully the lamprey barrier installed on lower Catherine Creek by DEC and the Finger Lakes Trollers will deny access the lampreys to miles of prime lamprey spawning/nursury areas.
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