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Second Chance 22

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  1. The rainbow fishery on Canandaigua Lake is a shadow of what it use to be or what it could be. Consider the number of bows reported by angler cooperators: Year 1973: 389 Year 1978: 335 Year 1985: 283 Year 2007: 19 Year 2008: 20 Year 2009: 35 Year 2010: 50 Year 2011: 80 Clearly, the lake is producing more bows than it did a few short years ago, however it's only at roughly 25% of it's glory years. Given the sparse returns in 2007 and 2008, DEC was justified in changing the regs (it takes several years). This was done after several public comment periods- as I recall very few people spoke up opposing the reduced bag limits. We haven't even had the chance to see if the new regs will rebuild the rainbow population, please give them a chance.
  2. The chemicals used to kill the Hydrilla, Endothall and Fluridone weren't applied in the concentrations that should have any effect on lake trout- especially miles away from the application sites. Details of the health effects ( on plants, animals and people) of these chemicals are on the home web page of the Tompkins County Health Department. Monitoring data is also supplied for many sampling points (including Bolton Point) for the entire appplication period. A lot of time and effort went into doing this right. That's one of the reasons that the treatments cost so much money.
  3. Absolutely a federal mater. US Corps of Engineers has jurisdiction of the canal and waterway since it is a navigable waterway. That's why Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Minnesota sued the Corps (not the State of Illinois or the City of Chicago) to try to get the study completed sooner and the locks closed. Case went all the way to the Supreme Court who sided with the Corps. Obama is spending $51.5 million this year to "study" the problem and operate the electronic fish barrier- which is highly unlikely to stop the carp migration into Lake Michigan. Reminds me of someone who fiddled while Rome burned.
  4. Probably would get introduced into a bunch of waters where they would be a big problem. There are serious reasons why they are illegal to use for bait. Also, I don't know a lot about salt water fishing, but the eels used at Montauk are probably sand eels, not lamprey eels.
  5. Don't look for any lampricide treatments on Cayuga anytime soon. DEC will continue to try to control them with the fishway on Cayuga Inlet. It works well unless there is a high water event that allows the spawning blood suckers to by pass the fishway trap. This years fishing regulations guide includes an impressive picture (page 28) of a large number of lampreys caught at the fishway and prevented from spawning. Those that remember the uproar in Ithaca when DEC last tried to treat Cayuga Lake proper will agree that in today's climate the "do gooders" in Ithaca will never agree to a treatment. Also, because the lake is home to lake sturgeon, which are on the federal endangered species list, DEC would NOT be allowed to treat the Cayuga Lake without federal approval. For what it is worth, the DEC didn't apply the TMF treatment that killed the walleyes in Sandy Creek. That was done by a team from Fisheries and Oceans Canada (don't we do anything ourselves in this country anymore?).
  6. In the not to distant future the Great Lakes will be infested with Asian carp- and our current sport fisheries will be a distant memory. Obama could have protected our fisheries, but he has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to protect them. If you care about fishing in the Great Lakes, you can't afford 4 more years of "nothing".
  7. The fish in the 50-60 foot range are probably smallmouths. It's very common to catch 4 to 6 pound suspended smallies (over open water) on this lake. (Even I can do it!)
  8. The NLTD dropped them because they still owe the derby money from like 4 years ago.
  9. Good to see you're helping trim the Keuka laker population. Thanks!
  10. Was Mike #1 driving, sleeping or at the fish market?
  11. DEC proposals are pretty much a done deal unless there was a huge negative response during the public comment period. All of the people I spoke with are in favor of the proposed changes, so I've confident they will "pass".
  12. Several years ago I caught a Seneca landlock that had 3 X 1 inch hunk of tree bark in its intestines. I have always wondered what the landlock was thinking when it ate it.
  13. The limit does NOT change to 5 lakers until the start of the new license year -October 1st. At that time, the limit will be 5 lakers on Seneca, Canandiagua, Keuka, Canadice and Hemlock. It will remain at 3 lake trout on Cayuga, Owasco and Skaneateles.
  14. Fish ran in both creeks in during the open season in December and those that survived the snaggers and lifters spawned a long time ago.....I started reading reports of spawned out rainbows being taken in the lakes as early as February. I went to the electrofishing on Naples on the 22nd and they didn't get many rainbows while I was watching; and the ones they did get werent' very big. I was told as a kid that when willow leaves are the size of a mouse's ear the rainbow runs are over.. so by that standard they are done.
  15. AC, your statement regarding lamprey eels "that evidence probably points to DEC neglect" bothers me. In recent years DEC has been hit with budget cuts, inadequate staffing and a lack of cooperation from some members of the general public. From what I have seen, the fisheries people (those that are left) are doing the best they can. DEC is NOT allowed to treat some sections of Catherine Creek with lampracide simpy because they are denied access by landowners. No wonder we have eels. Hopefully the lamprey barrier installed on lower Catherine Creek by DEC and the Finger Lakes Trollers will deny access the lampreys to miles of prime lamprey spawning/nursury areas.
  16. Catch and release during the spawning period would result in some percentage of the rainbows dying. These fish are stressed during spawing and especially vulnerable then. Better to leave them alone- the resource is under enough pressure as it is.
  17. DEC has scheduled the 2011 Spring electroshocking of Naples Creek for Thursday, March 22. Sorry, I don't know the exact time.
  18. If gas hits $5 a gallon this summer ( like its predicted), I don't know how many people are going to be interested in the shotgun start from the south end. Also, Finger Lakes Trollers already has an event called "The Seneca Challenge" (held annually since 1988), you might want to come up with a different name.
  19. I am in total agreement with Sean, rainbows in the Finger Lakes need protection. In addition to his points, I would like to add the following: The nine inch size limit on Owasco never made any sense to me. I have seen people keep 10 inch bows during Owasco tournaments in an effort to fill empty spots on the board- total waste of a potential trophy. Raising the size limit to 15 inches is a no brainer that is long over due. DEC needs to close the fall "snagging" season on rainbows. Current Finger Lakes regs allow trib fishing through December 31st. Most of the rainbow spawning run is in Catherine Creek by December 1st and gets hammered by the lifters long before they have a chance to spawn. This year the fishing pressure on lower Catherine Creek was higher during the last two weeks of December than it was during the first two weeks of April. Closing the tribs around November 15th would give the fall "sportsmen" a chance to harvest browns and landlocks (which are put and take fish anyway) while protecting the rainbows (which at this point are dependant on natural reproduction).
  20. Why not? The article states that zebra mussels have a negative impact on juvenile sturgeon. DEC doesn't stock juvenile sturgeon, the one's they stocked in Cayuga some years back were much bigger, like 18 inches when stocked. Your article also clearly states that older sturgeon utlize zebra mussels for food.
  21. One pair of smelt can produce 12,000 to 50,000 offspring. Baby smelt eat zooplankton which now exists in greatly reduced numbers due to competition from Zebra and Quagga mussels. So, the fisheries just can NOT produce the numbers of smelt they once did. In lakes where the zebra mussel populations have exploded and then crashed, smelt populations have improved after the crash. In the old days, smelting was only allowed until (as I recall) 1:00AM, so they had better chances to spawn undisturbed than they do now. I think the theory that the lampracide treatments had something to do with the decline in the smelt populations doesn't hold water. In the Finger Lakes, only Seneca and Cayuga have had lampracide treatments. But, smelt populations have also declined during the same time period in other lakes- such as Keuka and Canandaigua (these lakes have never had lampreys and haven't needed to be treated). Maybe we should be stocking sturgeon to reduce the number of mussels and restore the food chain........
  22. FYI, you can't take smelt from Cayuga and use them for bait anywhere in NY except Cayuga. Also, I heard from a couple of sources that there were decent smelt runs in Taughannock Creek last year.
  23. I have a newspaper (some debate if the Ithaca Journal is really a newspaper) clipping from May 5, 1995 featuring a 18.35 pound brown caught by David Corina. The story quotes DEC Senior Aquatic biologist Tom Chiotti: "That's easily the biggest ever from Cayuga Lake". David's fish was 33 inches long and the girth looks to be almost that. He caught his trophy near where Cayuga Inlet enters Cayuga Lake. Years later there was a story about another 18 pounder caught by Jack Fulton, but I can't find it. His fish was caught from a dock on a spoon. It was chasing a tasty school of 12 inch landlocks when he hooked it. Your brown is certainly a nice catch, especially on a fly rod. By the way, I don't think DEC has stocked seeforellens in a decade or so, I doubt yours is that strain.
  24. And you are a Number 1 expert at jumping to conclusions! Nobody said he works for Haliburton (he doesn't). This "kid" is in his late thirties and has seven mouths to feed. He worked the same kind of hours when he was building helicopters.
  25. Lots of emotions and opinions listed here, not many facts. Fact: the NYSDEC proposed water and air quality rules are head and shoulders stricter than anything USEPA has thought of. (they are probably the stricktest in the entire world). If anyone doubts this, I challenge them to read the entire SGEIS (I have). Fact: Gov. Cuomo ordered DEC commissioner Martens to investigate the problems related to drilling in PA this summer and the sort of problems encountered in PA are addressed in the SGEIS. Fact: the gas boom in PA is already providing economic boost to the Southern Tier. One of my sons has a job in Horseheads with an drilling support company (sorry Indian, he doesn't drink and he has all of his teeth). He works 80+hours per week and is making big bucks. The price of natural gas is not going to go up drastically anytime soon. Current prices are about 30% of what they were 10 years ago. The current glut of natural gas is acutally suppressing drilling activity. America has enought gas locked in its shale to last 100 years- simple supply and demand. No doubt in my mind that it can be done safely. Our family has leased its farm since 1985. Five gas wells (trenton black river) have been drilled on our neighbors property. Deer run accross the drill pad and I still catch brookies from the nearby creek. Our marcellus shale is only 80ft. thick and I am sure I will never make a penny from it.
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