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YAY! More useless feel good legislation! Glad I'm outta this over legislated state for good next year.....good riddance New York, and you can keep your over taxed, over law'd, over big brother'd BS...... Sorry for those of you staying, just another way to grab your money and freedom....wake up people.

Launched at Woodville at 6:30 am, scared the poop out of me when I realized that in fact the water REALLY was 4 ft deep! Got to the drop off.......set poles, two dipsy's back 200ft, two lead cores with 3oz weights back 150ft, trolled at 2.0 to 2.5 mph, east side......wham! Nice rainbow, followed by another nice bow. Then a dry spell for about an hour, was getting ready to cross the lake and head back down the west side when something large hit the dipsy, got off half way to the boat and bent my spoon in half, very large fish indeed. Crossed the lake picked up a decent laker in 200+ fow on the lead core, one more bow for a nice morning. All I ran was chrome spoons and it seems to have worked good. Oh....VERY few fleas.

Must resist....mmmmmuuuuuusssstttt resist........

Hey you said it right there, Landlocked Atlantic's were well documented in all of the lakes I mentioned. I doubt a guy would call the same fish, lake trout and salmon, he caught two distinct fish. Before this becomes a flame fest, lets just say my life long dream as a kid was to become a marine biologist. One that will not come true, however Its been my life's passion. I have been active in study and projects around the great lakes. Your opinion is fine as far as non-native fish species goes, don't under estimate that many others feel opposite of your opinion however. When the DEC started planting nonnative "carp"(or Pacific salmon) in the lakes, they did this because the level of pollution was such that native fish species just couldn't thrive, they also stated back then that these fish could never reproduce naturally. Now it seems we are stuck with them, Ask any old timer in Michigan whats become of the lake run brookies, whats become of the native brookie population in any stream these trash fish enter in the fall, ask them about other native populations.......thats just lake Huron. It's fine that it's good for the economy, native ecosystems however........ Note I'm no purist, but what I don't like is mounds of rotting fish stinking up my fly fishing area's, one reason I rarely go around the great lakes these days. **wow what a rant....lol, my last reply on the subject,cheers.**

Atlantic salmon and landlocked salmon are the same fish species, different strain. The actual strain of finger lakes landlocks are probably gone to history now. I know back in the late 80's Cornell was doing an awful lot of DNA testing in salmon creek(yep the indians named that creek long before white people arrived, we just translated it) to see if they could find remnants of the native strain. Again, Keuka, Seneca, Cayuga, Canandagua, Owasco all were home to lake white fish, lake trout, and LANDLOCKED Atlantic salmon populations prior to 1840. The common consensus is that all three species were present when the last ice sheets receded back into Canada, they moved into these lakes because the impasses were not there due to much higher water levels. I wrote a paper on this in high school and have talked with an awful lot of marine biologists over the years. Like I said, IMHO, what the DEC has done to some of these water sheds with the introduction of trash fish(i.e. pacific salmon, german brown trout, western rainbows, ect, ect) is just short of sinful to me. But thats my opinion. And again, what Ray and his brother were catching was something special indeed I have a feeling, the DEC's re-introduction program didn't really get going to any level before 1984 or so. For what secondchance22 wrote to be true, all of the finger lakes would have historical populations of lamprey eals, gobys, ect, ect. And we all know that isn't true at all. They didn't enter the lakes until man by-passed the impasses and hooked the river and stream systems together. These species did not move into the water sheds at the time of the ice sheets was because water temps were much to cold and pure for to many months of the year to support lampreys and the rest..

Uh, They were RE-introduced in 1976. The only salmonids native to any of the finger lakes were land lock salmon and lake trout. They died out due to spawning ground loss and lake pollution in the late 1800's in all of the finger lakes. The state started there recovery program back in the late 60's.

Pull copper, in 130 to 140 fow, or bottom bounce silver flutter spoons slow 1.5 to 1.8 mph, you'll collect lakers.....I haven't hit anything else in three weekends of trying now.

My personal and probably not to awfully, popular preference would be for the DEC to cut out all of the non native fish period...that means rainbows, browns, pacific salmon, ect....Ray was seeing the remnants of the once native land locks back in the day. He's also right on the rest of what he said. Oh and in my honest opinion...the non native SMELT are coming back now..my belief is the water fleas are there new forage. The Finger lakes aren't changing as much as everyone says they are to be honest. The zebra mussels are cleaning up the water, the flea's are now forage for smolt, alewives, and smelt......it's status que IMHO.

Out at 6:30 am, water calmed down nicely by around 7 or so. Lost one and boated another smallish laker(4 lbs or so) on a silver and yellow rapalla stick. Been running one rod for lakers about five feet off bottom in 100 to 120 FOW, with two for LL,rainbows,browns. One set down on a rigger at 40ish' and back 60', and one on lead core back 250'. Not a nudge yet on those two, where are they or is this lake all but dead except for lakers these days?

Oh they are flea's for sure. I pulled one of my riggers up from '60 in 148fow and had a gob of them as big as my fist on the wire! This was last weekend in the Branchport end.

Sheesh Nick....thanks a lot! , I'm tell'in ya its all Nitas fault. Kueka sunday wasn't much better.....one laker and a smallmouth in the Branchport end. Anyways, It does an old guy good to see a younger guy so mature. Nick truly is a nice guy for anyone that hasn't met him.

Never mind.....they don't call it a bee hole for nuth'in! Damn mud wasps!

OK.here is the problemoooo. I just bought this boat, has the said motor, We just got everything around today to take it for its maiden run on Seneca tomorrow. The guy I purchased the boat from hooked it up to a hose so we could see everything was ok with the motor. Its sat at my house now for 3 weeks, I just hooked it up to the hose and no water coming out of the top port under the power head. I'm new to the outboard thing, we ran it at idle for two or three minutes, could the water pump be bad and he just had enough water pressure to push it through to make it look like it was working? Any help would be appreciated...also I'm in Montery if anyone wants to help...there's beer in it....lol!

WOW! ....I wasn't try'in to start a fight guys. I grew up in Michigan and what we call cotton wood/bottom brush out there is a different plant from popular trees out here. Kind of like how we have festivals for the spring sucker runs out there and wouldn't touch a bullhead if you paid us......other way around out here . Sorry if I offended.

He he he....cottonwood? Its actually popular pollen. Were a little far east for true cottonwoods fellas.

Name: Pat and Nita Toupin Location:Montery NY Home Port:Watkins Glen NY Boat Name/Type:OUT4TROUT/18' Starcraft center council, 115 hp yamaha OB. I fish for:trout, salmon, walleye, stripers ================== Just bought a boat after many years of being off the water. Grew up in northern Michigan on the great lakes. This is the third boat I've owned, but my first try with down riggers. I've always pulled copper, flat lined, or used boards. I probably just dated myself with that...lol! Anyways, glad to find a forums this helpful(love the share a seat section).