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Why would anyone concern themselves with surface speed or SOG other than to see how much  current difference there is top to ball  ? Anything other than down speed is irrelevant . 

If you have no down speed indicator than surface speed and direction of troll on the hit becomes your gauge . 

Some of you guys make this way more complicated than it needs to be . 

Is STW the same as surface speed with a paddle type probe ? 

You can get the cheapest 30 or 40 they make . It's bigger diameter and is better flea wise IMO . Did it for years . Never had an issue with it . 

Let's see what happens the next few weeks . 

SOG is worthless information as far as trolling goes IMO . 

If you had a surface speed paddle on your depth finder , SOG, surface speed , and down speed would all be different . 

And the only one that matters is down speed . 

Did both read the same going in all directions ? 

After the big blow on Sat , there was a good current out there yesterday . 

I figured that east wind would change things . 

Question 

What more could anyone ask of a fishery ? Good job to the folks who make all this happen . 

My son and I got out early both days. 

Fished 75 to 130 most of the time . 

Fri we landed probably 20 fish . A mixed bag of everything . We got I think 3 good kings up to 20# . About 6 real nice steelheads up to 11# maybe . Temp was down like 80 ft . 

Sat morning it was howling so bad I didn't even get in the rowboat to fish the creek and that never happens . 

East wind Sat brought temp up . Was 42 deg down 50 . 

We ended up having consistent action all day . Riggers we're hot till 830 or so . 40 to 55 down took 2 good kings . Then my slide diver took over the show . 3  good kings netted and lost a few more . 

This state spends money it doesn't have all the time on projects . Maintanence , that's another issue . So I could see a new job creating hatchery project . Why not ? A great opportunity for ribbon cutting photo oops . 

The ecosystem has changed . There are less bass but man are they bigger. A lot of big perch also if you know how to catch them . I also get a lot of Northerners . 

My arms were tired yesterday from all the fish I reeled in yesterday. Is the fishing not good enough out there ? 

So why not develop this Atlantic project . Could be a great thing for stream anglers . They should have some say in this whole thing also . I spend a fair amount of time on the tribs with my fly rod  . It's extremely challenging . I like that.  

My guess if the Altlantics take hold , guys will come from near and far to chase them . 

And that " noise " comment is just insulting . 

The entire NYS northern shoreline has ecosystems that support pretty much any freshwater fish that swims. How lucky are we to have that ? 

You can fish bass ,pike , musky walleye , panfish , trout or salmon . 

More importantly you can fish fish for those species in a way you like to . 

For trout / salmon , some guys like to troll . Others passion is the trib pin or fly fishing thing . I like to do it all ( but I can't bring myself to pick up a center pin ) .  And I can tell you from my perspective , if I'm targeting fall browns and rainbows , stream kings can be a nuisance.  

Sounds to me like there is a fear by some that kings will be put on the back burner . I don't see that happening . The king fishing is lights out this year . 

I personally would love to see a good Atlantic program . It's always fun  to catch one and why shouldn't the trib guys have what they want also ? They buy license and pay their tax dollars for the stocking program also. 

As far as hatchery space . I said it before and now again . It's time for a new state of the art hatchery in this state . It should be priority 1 of the members of this board . 

The DEC cut the domestic rainbow program ( which was very successful for south shore tribe guys )  for more rearing space for brown trout . Seems to me that was done for the east end lake anglers who don't get the kings till later in the year . 

I'm not saying yea or nay on the program but I think the amount of tributary anglers state wide and their economic impact is grossly underestimated by some . 

A long long time ago  the fleas first showed up and nobody knew what they were .  

Common practice was to use straight 15 # mono back then .  Well we all know that is a flea catching mess. There was much discussion on a previous to this board about how to combat them . 

As I recall some nice  guy , I don't remember who , spliced  a 150 ft section of 40# on his reels . He went on  that same board and revealed his findings. He got all kinds of crap . Was told he wasn't a sportsman , how it wouldn't work , etc. He even told a charter captain ,who arrogantly said he was crazy . 

Fast forward to today . He was the first to solve  everyones problem . 

Some guys are just forward thinking problem solving geniuses . 

Wish I could remember who it was .  

I know I hit bottom in 80 ft with 65# braid , a mag diver , and my counter at 260 this weekend r

Yes  been doing it for years . 

Not as good as wire but its not bad . 

Outweighs the other problems with wire by far IMO . 

65 # power pro minimum . 

Well , they use to  treat Sandy . The last time I saw the trucks upstream was about 12 years ago I think . Maybe longer . 

None of the fish I boated has lamprey marks 

Welcome to Lake Ontario 

Your SOG and speed thru the water are 2 completely different things 

You could be trolling into a heavy current at 2 mph on your down speed indicator and actually going backwards SOG . 

1.7 isn't really that big a difference . 

Yes , and the current can get worse than that . 

Went out early with my boy and followed Coyote K to the hot spot  with the new boat . It occurred to me this morning that I have not named her yet . Very happy so far with her . 

We fished the 110 to 140 waters.   Got  this 260 on my braid dipsey and broke off another screamer on my slide diver . 

wound up going 5 for 8 or 9 

All spoon bite . 

Stopped by today . 

Nice shop with good assortment . 

Local people . 

Support them . 

I live in Holley and cottage at Sandy creek in Hamlin . 

Yes but it looks like they integrated the nut into the knob . The shaft and ,the washer ,and that red bearing look the same . 

If you need a Hail Mary , I have it . 

Is this it ? 

Is that from Mag 10 from the 80 s ?