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What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
Well , the DEC has said repeatedly that it is bait related. I have my armchair quarterback theory on why but they are the guys with the most experience with this . Banner year this year they supplied . I saw the most bait I have seen in a long time out there this year . There has been a biatfish biomass rebound the last few years . We are only about 5# off the mark for bigger fish actually. Let's see what happens when we have continuous years with good bait instead of using this as an excuse to close the tribs . Let's wait and see next year if avg and top end are bigger . We had a banner year . Be happy for that and hope for the best . I met the daughter in San Antonio of a guy who fishes a lot of Lakers in lake Superior. I have been going back and forth with him. The Lakers he catches average 5 # and a 10# is a big fish . If he gets a 10 fish day , that's a lot . He is jealous of what we have . It certainly could be worse . We are not Lake Superior. -
I'm across the marina
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What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
The distain for the trib guys on this site really urks me . An awfull lot of crying for nothing . Are 30 fish days with 15 to 25 # kings not enough ? These fish are there for everyone to catch . Everyone gets their chance at them at some time during the year . Those Salmon River guys don't hurt the fishery one bit . In fact , even with the outlaws , they probably help . It's put and take . If a guy has a successful trip and comes back next year , all the better . Each out of state angler probably drops 150$+ per day minimum up here. The Pulaski region relies on that which is pretty much all they have . I personally love fishing for these tributary kings .It's really a challenge to get them to hit . And they might not have the power they had in the lake but they sure do fight .Had many, many , run 150 yds up or down the creek I could not stop . And so do a lot of other guys because I talk to them.Some come up every year . Some don't want , or can't afford 700 to 1 k a day to pay a charter and have a mate hand then a rod and reel the fish in . I was invited in a charter this year . Awesome captain and mate . If that's what salmon fishing is , I'll take up birdwatching . The only chart or data that really matters to the state of NY is the one about economic impact . Which is probably why the judges in those municipalities the tickets get written in throw the cases out . And I don't care if a fish hits because it's hungry , out of aggression , it's a conditioned response or it just made a bad decision . It hit by its own choice .He took my bait ,which to me is what it's all about. Getting them to hit . Are we going to make fishing WOKE now ? -
Which boat is yours ? Is it that white hardtop by launch ?
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What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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Pulled my big boat on Sat with no problems Stay between the bouys ! And watch depth past yacht club between piers . Red on right when going upstream Red on right when returning from sea.
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What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
The " these fish don't hit " ain't right. I've had I would say 50 king hookups the last month or so ( my landing percentage sucks though) on skien. More than a few have swallowed the hook . I also have had a good number over the years smash a J 13 rapala . Also fly fishing early Nov browns have had kings hit a woolly bugger pretty hard , and watched them do it .A lot of guys at the Oak fish skien off the wall successfully . So they don't hit is wrong . Sure there are an awfull lot of outlaws out there . So ticket them .Don't punish law following anglers . I really don't care about lake anglers and how they choose to fish .I use a lot of the same equipment . I find it funny that anglers that have all this high tech equipment have a problem with someone with a fly or centerpin outfit and waders . So I have an idea , let's close down the Salmon River from Sept to Nov for 3 years . With one caviat, A moratorium on all Salmon tournaments on Lake Ontario for the same length of time . You know ,shared sacrifice . Then 4 to 7 years from now we MIGHT, MIGHT, have a chance to catch kings that average 3 to 5 # bigger than we have now . Definitely not Worth it in my opinion. We have a great fishery with trophy fish , albeit not as big as they use to be . What a banner year this was . You are in hell if you land a 20# king and think it's disappointing . Some people are never satisfied . -
What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
That's 10 k of the biggest fish , with the biggest fish genes that never even get a chance to run the gauntlet. They didn't get dragged in by their tails , they get dragged in behind a boat at 2 .5 mph with hopes of doubles and triples with all the multiple lines and high tech equipment to add to the fun . Some might say that's disrespectful . So people in glass houses ....... -
What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
You know , I was just thinking , cause that's what I do . They have these salmon tournaments most every weekend during the year at different ports of LO . These highly advanced big boats, and there are a lot of them , with the latest equipment with the best anglers fish for the biggest 4 salmon box for cash prices. These boats only keep the biggest salmon they catch . So all these multiple biggest fish kept, and there are a lot , are not available to run the rivers to pass on those big fish genes. If those biggest fish are kept early spring / summer , they are the ones that would be the biggest come late summer. In fact , it seems , that there is a direct correlation between king size and when the number of salmon tournaments exploded in the last 15 years . Something to consider , don't you think ? -
What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
From what i hear from the guys that use to pen rear the kings at Sandy creek , the Sandy fish were the biggest / healthiest of any in the South shore . Don't know how true this is or if you here is any scientific data on this but that's what I hear . So if that's the case , maybe all South shore kings should be reared at Sandy . That is if in fact you want the biggest king possible . And the downward trend in size directly coincides with the halt of pen rearing at Sandy . Makes sense doesn't it ? -
What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
I just looked at the Canadian summer derby results for this year . Their sizes were comparable to ours . I know every once in a while I see one that's maybe 35 # . That's not a whole lot bigger than our biggest derby winners . Caught some nice skien under a float kings this afternoon . Man do those fish fight . Amazes me the power these zombie fish have . -
What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
You don't know that for sure . Nobody does . That's pure speculation at this point . This year I saw more bait in the lake than I have in a long while . Probably since the early 90s . Let's have 5 years of that and then see what happens size wise . But I'm on board with Longline about the nutritional value of today's alwives compared to long ago . Not every big king gets dragged out by its tail so to speak . Some make it to the hatchery or naturally reproduce . So there should be a few bigger fish in our catch as a whole lakeside . I got a 27#and change I weighed J plugging a few weeks ago so there are some big ones out there . And my scale is very accurate. And we are comparing ourselves to Socialist Canada now ? -
What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
So arrest and fine heavily the violators . This everyone should pay for the actions of a few ain't right . Many of us fish legit in the streams . Probably more than most think. Yup , the outlaws are out there . Fine them . I really enjoy the thrill and change of trib fishing . So why should that not be available to those who would like to do that ? Fishing was lights out this year . What more do you want ? -
What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
These kings are far from worthless this time of year . I contend they are as hard to get to hit as anytime during the season . I have landed more than a few on a long rod and lite line and get fight great . Not like dragging one in on a 500 copper but fun just the same . Drive thru Pulaski Sun morning on the way home from the ADKs . An awful lot of money changing hands there . Excuse my spelling and grandma -
What's your opinion of the current state of our fishery?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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Went out 3 mornings and 3 afternoons solo Fished from 12 to 70 ft . Didn't do great I landed 4 kings and I think 5 or 6 browns .Lost a few more of each. I see a fair amount of marks but me thinks a lot are browns . Not seeing many Kings jumping out there. And I'm putting my time out there . Went with Coyote K last night and this morning. 9 browns total , no kings. All on spoons . I fish J plugs mostly in search of kings . Got 2 nice browns on my flasher rig , one on a # 2 j plug the rest spoons Kings came on J plugs . Temp was good as it can't be be this time of year . This is what happens I guess when you don't pen rear kings . Or at least it seems that way . There is a direct correlation between when we stopped pen rearing kings and return rates. I see it with my own eyes because I'm here all the time . Let's see how the skien thing goes .
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I researched a lot . I wanted to get the best for the buck. I went into Sportsman Wearhouse to buy some jig stuff in Feb . I walked by the depthfiders and saw SALE . I looked at Lawrence marked down. I wound up with a Hook Reveal 7 Split Shot. I'm extremely happy with it , does everything I could want Best part , original price 599$ . Marked down 349$ .When I said that's the one I wanted to the guy working there he said " this is your lucky day " he had stickers in his hand to mark it down to 279 $ . Did not like it at first , modern depth finders are more complicated than early models . Once I set transducer to 200 kz , set noise to low and increases sensitivity a little , it works great .