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Yes , but they do cull and take the biggest fish they catch . And on good days there are a lot of boats with full boxes . So maybe this does have an impact on the biggest of he gene pool returning to spawning grounds or hatchery and has some long term affect . Fish that never make it back to the streams for the snaggers ..

Start somewhere? This has been going on for over 30 years and is and has been a real problem . More BS Gov crap to throw money at when the solution is and has been pretty obvious for years . How about this . 2 week open season on the flying rats and see what happens . My guess is it would sound like fourt of July along the lake shore . I gave up hunting but even I would get my 12 gauge out for this .

Just shoot the GD things already . Voice your concerns ? Give me a break .

The downward trend started showing up about 25 years ago Right around the time a lot of tournaments started showing up and it seems there are more and more each year . With more and more seasoned anglers with well equipped boats . And these anglers target and keep the biggest fish . They harvest a lot , no question . And this has no affect on the gene pool ? At least somewhat ? Back in the day Michigan crickets were the bait of choice and that didn't affect size , in fact they got bigger for a while . I agree with Gator , probably a complex problem and we may never truly know why . But the fishing is great , and I'm happy for that . I have my theories but they are just that , theories .

So all the tournament anglers catching boxes full of the biggest salmon every weekend has nothing to do with this ?

I fished same water and landed 1 mature and a 2 year old and had a few more hits Pic not as good as yesterday . J plugs on riggers best

We have become complacent as Americans taking our freedoms for granted . Our enemies have figured out how to use our good will against us .

An in your face moment if I ever saw one . How easily we forget . For the promise of free stuff .

Prayers for victims and families Don't ever forget who did it . Ever . Stay vigilant

Had some two days ago like that . Not prime but not bad . They put Tereiaki Bourbon marinade on It

Could only go for a few hrs . Kind of choppy but not bad . We did 3 good kings and lost another Landed 2 nice browns And a few more hits J plugs on slide divers got the kings Biggest almost 23 and

Brian , you had a great idea IMO I expected as much .

KD seems to be the most knowledgeable on this . Even he says that Sandy probably isn't a good option . But you can't let it go , can you LL . You post all these studies and charts and graphs to support your position some not remotely close to what Sandy is , as to how this will work if a bunch of time and money and crazy stuff happens . Watershed changes that won't happen , fish farms in the lake , reroute the canal flow , etc ,etc. Common sense says put the efforts in one stream with the ecosystem that has the best chance to succeed cat this on the South shore , which is most likely Irondequoit. That state backing Powder Mills by Brian is a great suggestion. Public private partnership . And probably most economical. A nice grant for improvements and funding to continue and some a little manpower to help run . Maybe some work-study stream improvement . A nice Eagle project for a few Boy Scouts . But you dig your heels in on this . For some reason . Have to impress us with your knowledge or something. For a guy who never set foot on the banks of Sandy , you sure have a lot to say .

And you are buying .

40 years ago , wow . Makes me feel old . Lake America can be a cruel place .

Nope , the boats off Sodus flipped . Google it . It was in Sept as I remember . What you suggest makes to much sense Brian . Hey LL I'm still willing to give you a ride to Altmar .

I remember when they brought up the offshore racing boats to Sodus and they were going to have a Great Lakes circuit. 30+ years ago . Just happened there were 5 to 9 ft waves forecast . Race organizers said ,no problem , we race in the ocean and it gets rougher than this small lake . So the race started and a few boats flipped over immediately and that was the end of that . Ocean gets swells and Great lakes get short distance between the waves. Not the same . Also surface temps can be up to 80 deg and we get East wind and lake flips and it's 41 ice water next day . I don't think small fish would fare well at all with that . Did all this come up on the Google search ? If they did this they would need people and boats to feed and moniter . Very inconvenient. And costly . Another , looks good on paper , not well thought out suggestion . And there is still no guarantee that Atlantics will run and more importantly Nat reproduce in Sandy .. if this happens . Which is the goal . If they don't make it in Irondequoit, Sandy has no chance . But I guess that has already been proven . Lets see what happens this year . I might be wrong , who knows . I haven't caught a lake Atlantic in a long time . And I have been out there a lot .

Are we really going to invest a ton of time and resources into something that has been tried before and didn't really work in Sandy creek ? At some point doesn't common sense take over ? Put a fish farm offshore to have 8 to 15 ft waves , which has happened and they wind up in the yacht club parking lot ? Do you really believe what you are suggesting here or are you just cat fishing us ? A man of your education should be able to see the science and realize what you suggest has a extremely low chance of succeeding without major , major ecosystem changes .

A fish farm off shore of Sandy ? Got to say LL You come up with some Dandys .

Maybe a good approach would be to take Irondequoit and put all the efforts into that . That stream is probably the most suitable for this. And then see what happens after a few years . If it's going to succeed , that more than likely the best chance for it .