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I love the people who hate the tariffs . They can no longer go to Walmart and buy a widget for 25 ¢ from Chinese subsidised slave labor . And then they want everyone to be paid 30$ per hr + benefits . And now the countries that have been taking full advantage of us are mad that finally someone had the balls to put a stop to it . And hopefully it forces thing to be made in this country and the money stays in this country.And we force the ass sitters and welfare scum to work . The American labor can be taxed and contribute to Social Security , workers comp ,etc and to pay for the bloated gov , fraud , and to house and support all the illegals we now have . Yeah , Bad Bunny as halftime entertainment . I heard that someone free of charge , and I don't know how true this is , and I may look into it , will come to your house during halftime , and stick a knife in your eye . I would rather do that . Seems some of you suffer from what the Medical community have acknowledged is an actual mental affliction , TDS . Trump living in your head 24/7 . There is help available . The first step is admitting that you have a problem . -
I just got my electric bill for my cottage . I winterized it this year ( it has minimal electric heat ) and Jan bill was 59 $ . The electric part was 21$ , the delivery was 38 $ . So ain't that nice . It cost more to deliver it than the electric cost . Thanks Kathy . Ban gas stoves and lawn mowers , Electric buses and everything , then Jack the rates . If I didn't know better , I would think were getting set up to get fleeced . I spent 8$ for a loaf of bread the other day ( I like healthy stuff , whole grains and whole wheat . ) . Also spent 2.89 for a gallon of gas . What's your point ?
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Anyone who is as ever owned a business can tell you that doing business , especially in this state is getting more and more costly. Regulation , insurance , getting employees that actually want to work , etc. etc. Make any money and get taxed big time on it . And where is that money going ? The Minnesota fiasco didn't make me confident . I'm really getting tired of hearing about the millionaires and billionaires . It's getting tired . There have always been the rich and yes , they run things , always have .
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Did anyone see how much our electric bills went up ? Force everyone to go green by using electric and raise the price . North of Batavia and Bergen there are miles and hundreds of acres of farmland , now solar panels being installed . Hundreds of workers doing the installs . Quite the operation . Probably there because it is away from an urban area , the lands cheaper , and the transmission lines are right there . Apparently , the farmers give a 20 year lease . They make money on the land and don't have to farm it . Who can blame them ?
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I think it's a lot of it is how much you want to spend . Trolling , it's not the rod that hooks the fish . So it really doesn't have to have any finese at all . I like rods with limber tips and a lot of ass in the butt section . A mostly or all E fiberglass rod for durability with good guides . I got a 4 used 8 ft 6" Eagle claw starfire rods on here and I like them a lot of30$ . I also bought 2 10 ft dipsy rods I love also 30 each new . 100$ for 6 rods
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Look at Eagle claw
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So I'm driving west on the Parkway about lt1:30 and I get to 390 and I look out on the pond there on the north east side of the bridge . I look out and see a guy up to his armpits waving his arms . I jack on the breaks and pull off and get out . I have my work truck and a bunch of extension cords so I figure I can tie them together to throw them out to him. I get ready to call 911 and I see a few fireman and their truck across from me . They were doing ice rescue training .
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So I got an Air brush for Christmas . I know nothing about what paints and how to use it . Any insight and tips ,recommendations would be appreciated . Thanks .
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I was fishing Musky / pike around the Thousand islands Park about First week October 20 years ago . I saw some big fish jump next to the boat and they were Kings . Got a real good look at them .
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No camaras in the parking lot ? I find that strange . There are camaras on everything . NYS at its finest . A parking lot where an awful lot can happen , like vehicle break ins , abductions , fender benders , pedestrians getting hit and no camaras. I loose faith in gov daily .
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Trout ain't been great for me . Getting a few but got about A dozen perch today , some real nice ones . Small jigs under float -
What are the problems we are experiencing? 1. After Aug 1 the lack of a concentration of kings inshore when the mid summer fishery was great 2 Kings don't seem to stage in front of creek mouth like they use to . Why ? Maybe because a lot of those fish are Canadian stream fish that start to migrate back north after Aug 1 3 Poor returns to South shore tribs , including the Salmon river . I know there are reduced king stocking numbers but the returns some years , even to the Salmon are not nearly what they use to be . Even when we have great lake years like 2 years ago . I'm fully aware of Salmon river imprinted fish stocks to assure a good return for Salmon river stakeholders and egg take . ( Maybe that's why DEC is against another hatchery for kings , to make sure ) . And they add to the 50% , but not all of it . If the Canadians are not stocking kings , and their streams are now full of kings , and seemingly getting more each year , where did they come from ? If half of the kings are Nat reproduction , that is a big number . This 50 % number has only been discussed the last 10 years or so from my perspective.Do the DEC stocking numbers reflect the Canadian Nat reproduction kings each year? If my theory is even somewhat right . It sure would explain a lot . If Those Canadian stream Nat reproduced fish numbers grow , and DEC is aware of this , and doesn't want to overstock to balance prey baitfish , this is not good for South shore anglers . And the problem may get worse .
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Way back in the begining. , kings were raised at both Caladonia and The Salmon river and direct stocked into South shore trribs . The Altmar fish imprinted on the Salmon river .. The Calidonia fish were not imprinted with the exception of some .. The problems we are experiencing now , Aug to staggers, to return to tribs fish might be mathematical. Those early non imprinted fish or strays that returned in mass the early years to all the south shore tribs also returned to north shore tribs also and inprinted there South shore tribs , with the Salmon river the exception are not Nat reproduction friendly , north shore are very Nat reproduction friendly . Here is where the math plays in . If a female ran say the credit river in 1971 and her eggs hatched and 2 females from her made it to the lake and 3 years later those 2 females hatched 4 females, and 3 years later those 4 hatched 8. Do that 10 times for 30 years. And around the year 2000 that original female legacies close to' 2000 fish ,Year 2000 ,30 years later was kind of the year when bad things started happening out there . Do that same math up untill now and the numbers are stagering from that 1 original fish . Like 50k. Now I don't think it's that much but its somewhere . I've seen pics of north shore tribs teaming with masive numbers of returning kings . And currently it is my understanding Canada doesn't stock kings . If any of the above is close to what is happening , it sure would explain a lot . DEC says up to half the kings are Nat reproduction. And the Salmon river ain't producing that .Also after Aug When bad winds push the kings offshore , there is no reason for those fish to head south again . And the biggest kings the last 10 years are caught in Canada. If any of this is even close to true , how do you fix it ? I don't think you can . Originally , those North shore tribs weren't a factor . Now they can be big time , and getting worse .
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There are times when the concentration of kings ( after the lake sets up ) are in 50 to 80 ft of water , let's say inshore , and times they are offshore, 200 + . The biggest determining factor for that is wind direction and intensity, keeping the nice green water the fish stay in close to shore hopefully or pushing it out . . One day they are in one area and the next day or even a few hrs later they move . There almost always seems to be at least a few on or around inshore structure . Some years , the winds are great and good fishing in certain inshore areas for extended periods from say early June to staging fish . Others , like last year , we had to chase around to find them . Couple that with reduced numbers of fish , unstable winds and we get what we got this last year . All that unstable weather also makes the fish less aggressive . It was hard till late July to get hits on flashers for me . It was mostly a spoon bite . -
The good inshore spring fishing along the entire South shore usually happens when there is a semi warm winter and good colored water . Cold black water = bad fishing . It seems under those conditions the majority of kings are in west end waters, and even that pretty much sucked early on this year . IMO , it doesn't matter where the kings are stocked till around Aug 1 . Then the lake flips bad or we get sustained northwest winds and stacks the warm water up and they go offshore and get in the current and they disperse to their respective imprinted streams . Then it does matter where the eggs were hatched from or are penned . So I would like to see them raise some kings at Calidonia , mark them and see . But even if they did it next year we would not know till 4 years from now . A new hatchery would be awesome but for some reason the state is against it . We had better bait biomass the last few years and the bigger sizes were up a bit this year , but there were less fish . Agree with LL that the bait may not pack on the pounds they use to . I'm going to wait and see what happens Side note . I hooked about 60 to 70 kings and landed about 35 this fall trib wise . 3/4 were jacks or 2 year old males . Whatever that means .
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Well actually it might . Free everything that was promised has to get paid for somehow . And with the mass exodus of high income people from the state that has been and more than likely will ecelorate, funding may become a problem . And fish may take a backseat to free groceries rent and whatever . I hope this ideology doesn't spread like COVID to other cities like Buffalo , Rochester ,Portland or Minneapolis etc. But my feeling is it will . Pure Lib BS When Calidonia stopped raising kings , South shore returns dropped dramatically and the pen protect was initiated to imprint fish to South shore streams instead of the Salmon river . When Calidonia raised kings , good returns , when they stopped bad . All the rest of above so called facts are just BS reasonings that don't hold a lot of water . Looks good on paper crap .
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Typical lib BS. After yesterday , we got bigger fish to fry .
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It's not that we want more kings , it's that after Aug 1 up untill spawning and during spawning runs , we, or at least I , would like to see them more dispersed to more of the South shore ports . LIKE IT USE TO BE !! When Calidonia raised king . And the notion that Calidonia can't do it as well , is ludicrous. The lake was teeming with kings and they were much bigger on avg back then . But that another story . I guess what I have A hard time with is , they are not even willing to trry . Full well knowing the problems .
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These kings spawn in glacial runoff streams in Alaska .Which can be very muddy . There are spots where there is good current in the Genny , especially south of the veterans bridge. A low water year with green water till the hatch and who knows what could happen . I'm not saying that it's perfect spawning ground but i think there is more than you might think .
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Why aren't we back to regular stocking levels?
HB2 replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Open Lake Discussion
We came of a lights out year last year This year , not so much but sizes were bigger What are normal stocking levels ? It seems currently they are on failsafe with that . We got lots of small kings this year , which we didn't last year , which gives us hope for next year . On a different note , most of the creek kings I'm getting are jacks and 2 year olds . -
Pier Thread 2025
HB2 replied to fisherman21's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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Took the words right out of my mouth , Brian . When Kings were raised at Calidonia , every stream with water had fish . They stopped raising Kings at Calidonia , returns dropped significantly . Then the pen projects came about to get better returns to tribs other than the Salmon river . So let's quit with the what ifs and build another hatchery to raise kings . And maybe see if that works , because it did before . Also some fishing terrorists decided to destroy Altmar ,or there is a virus there , or a comet hits it , we are screwed for a while . Another hatchery could raise more browns , go back to some domestic rainbows that also frequented Sandy , that we miss , etc . And it hedges our bets if something bad would happen . It's the common sense thing to do .
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I was told by 2 or 3 , let's just say , people in the know , that when stocking cuts were made , that the pen fish would be concentrated to destination ports where there were businesses . Does anyone actually believe that less pen sites and concentrating the fish to fewer pens increases survival rates and pen fish don't imprint ? Not all imprint , but some do . With that logic , why not just pen them in one central location that has good flow for the very best survival ? The DEC doesn't want Kings in Sandy IMO . Because it's a destination fly fishing stream for browns and now hopefully Atlantic and they dont the salmon crowd . I was told this in a round about way by a high ranking DEC official . After Labor day till Nov , I'm not getting or seeing the Kings I once saw stagging or in the creek . This DIRECTLY coincides with the stoppage of pen rearing Kings here . And I am here all the time in the pole position and see it first hand .
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I disagree with that statement that pen rearing does nothing for return rates . I have witnessed this first hand at Sandy . The return rates have dropped significantly and directly coinside with the stop of pen rearing 3 years prior . Enough of the fish , not all , imprint on the stream they are penned at , IMO.The Oak for example, has a great amount staging this year . Why is that ? Because of increased pen rearing . Sandy , not so much as years prior . And believe me , I put my time in. There are some , but not the numbers after we stopped with the pens The reason they started pen rearing was because they stopped raising kings at Caledonia. And other ports / streams were not getting the returns they once were . That's the fact . Over time they found out that survival rates were better with pen rearing . I feel this kings for the lake and steelhead for the creek management thing is a bunch of crap to appease some . Sounds good but in reality does nothing . And if pen rearing does nothing for returns , why do it at major ports with economic interests ? Just do the pens at one location , like the Niagara where there is good flow . Why don't they do that ? Because it works .
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These fish are in both sides he lake and tribs at some time . So what are they doing differently to manage kings for lake and trout for creeks ? Only thing I saw was the size limits for steelhead . I was told by DEC personel that they concentrated the kings to destination ports .. it's a business decision. When they first started stocking kings way back when , they didn't pen rear .They pulled up the truck and dumped them in . And there were way more fish , everywhere . They only started pen rearing when they stopped raising kings at Caledonia .
