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Aside from all the crap , Dems are the ones supporting the commies , socialists and jew haters . Just sit there , nothing to see here folks , go about your day , smoke your weed , drink your whiskey . Let us go about our business of ruining the country . It'll all be great . We didn't do all this indoctrination for nothing .

Pretty simple . No tariffs both ways . How about that ? Fair is fair . They are socialist up there anyway . Look back at the trucker thing . My brother said when he was farming onions that Canada would subsidize there onion farmers and dump their onions down here cheap and drive the price down . But try and cross the boarder and sell to them . Ross Perott said , " I'll make it simple , we give you the same deal you give us " . What's wrong with that ? Dems support the communist and socialist. That's fact . They don't try to stop it or hide it . Mundami at 9/11 is an in your face moment . How easily we forget .

I have an 18 ft Alumacraft Trophy walk thru and I love it . 115 4 stroke 8 hp kicker and control king ( makes the boat ) I have a convertible top with side curtains which saves the day sometimes . Great in the water on semi rough days . Great on gas . Kicker sips it . Trailers good . I don't know if it exceeds you weight threshold .

Limits on Bass were reduced and keeper size was increased from 10 to 12 " statewide because of more people fishing and tournaments. And I don't know any bass anglers mad about it . There are less Smallmouth now in LA but the biggest are bigger than before . But I catch a lot of smaller ones also . Yeah ,the LA bass fishing is pretty good . ST Larry best smallmouth in the country . Salmonoid fishing is good from 6 to 600 ft depending on what time of year . But you should know that LL. . I went to the sewer meeting to be informed . Whatever happen with it , the residual treated water will still be released in Sandy . Some is now being released upstream of my brothers property which the stream runs through .The rest at the Holley Falls . He said he has weeds he never had before . He said DEC parks in his driveway to test the water there periodically . But when so , that treated water will still have some chemicals in it . It won't be drinking water . Combine that with , salt , fertilizer, pesticides , cleaning stuff, septic leach and whatever , like I said previously, and you have a not so clean stream . Spending hundreds of thousands to midigate that for a fish , when other species don't seem to care about is senseless to me . Put the time money in a stream more suited . Take the money and build a new hatchery , maybe do some Atlantic's there . At 2.50 per fish , they can kiss my rectal orifice . The king fishing is so good because of the Canadian Nat Reprodution which was never anticipated at the time of the first stockings way back when .

Where did you get that out of that ? I saw beds being dug by Salmon , certainly not Atlantic's . You are twisting my words to justify your bad choice to waste money in a stream that has little to no chance of working . If that stream was a feasible ( there's that word again ) option for the Atlantic's , there would be a decent run at least somewhat the last few years . Water temps and flow are good after slow release but they chose not to run . Maybe this year will be better with better flow . Shocking boat get very few the last few years , I've seen and talked with t them about 8 times .

All this Tariff stuff has pissed off a lot of countries that have taken advantage of the US for years .And why shouldn't they be mad ? I would be mad also if I was making out like a bandit from a bad deal and then the person giving it to me said no more . I remember Ross Perott saying , " I don't know who signed off, and why , on some of these trade deals " . He added ," I'm going to make it real simple for all these countries, I'm giving you the same deal you are giving us. " 60 billion dollar trade deficit with Canada . Hey Gator , the Dems are the ones with communism and socialism and the Muslim colonization . And I don't see their leaders doing a whole lot, if anything to stop it . So that's on Dems . Unfortunately , that's the reality and bottom line of it . Remember the eating dogs and cats comment ? I feel he did that to bring attention to the other problems up there . And it worked . Same with this . A lot of people think Canada is well run , but in reality it's a **** show and socialist . A lot of Canadians come down here for heath care because how bad their " Free " health care is .

The original post was weather Sandy could support Nat Rep. Then it kind of morphed into this AS debate . LL has decided if we can dump a ton of cash and resources into the creek and dramatically change the watershed, it can happen and be what it was back in the early 1800. He has supplied charts and graphs and articles and examples from other parts of the country where habitat restoration has been successful . Some not nearly similar to this but that's beside the point . Highly educated people often make the mistake of trying to think their way through problems without looking at the obvious stuff starring them in the face . Canadian streams ain't Sandy . Anyone with 2 thumbs can see that obvious fact . As luck would have it , I talked to DEC people yesterday and had a good conversation, and they even said Sandy was really not a feasible ( damn it, theres that word again ) option . And I went to A meeting about a high pressure sewer line that eventually dups into Sandy and is now . But LL knows better, just ask him , and he has the charts and graphs and whatever the F else he can Google to show it . I'll make you deal LL , I'll drive you out to Altmar as long as I can be the one to introduce you to Chris Legaurd as the one who has all the answers and is going to solve all the problems of the Fishery he can't just so I can see the look on his face . Feel free to correct my spelling and punctuation .

Give it up dude

Thank you KD . You confirmed pretty much everything I was saying about Sandy and what was going on at Sandy . Thanks . Won't be long !

Well , I guess this is over .

Can't really compare Lakers to AS There was a time they grew faster in LO than anywhere in the world . Because of the huge baitfish biomass . Man there are some monsters out there . They thrive in LO . It certainly didn't take 20 years for everything else they introduced . They thrived after maybe 5 . And still do . 1868 ? A lot of detrimental activity still exists . Like houses , and roads , and schools and hospitals , and industry so people can afford to live. Yeah a lot of detrimental activity . So , if Sandy is pretty cold for at least 9 months , and they have dumped a bunch of fish at the mouth , why no significant returns ? We have great king fishing . Why? NYS DEC can't take a whole lot of credit for that . You can thank Mother nature and the Canadian Nat reprodution nobody predicted way back when , for that. See , things sometimes work out . I guess the AS haven't read all the graphs and charts .

The whole dynamic of the Sandy is against AS nat repro . Warm water . Not really a way to combat that considering all factors in the watershed . Pollution . Miles of roads of road salt which is getting more toxic with additives. Fertilizers , pesticides , cleaning agents . Septic leach and cattle manure . Oil , gas , whatever else a modern society uses winds up in the creek . Not really a way to combat that in the watershed . The first stocks of AS were in 2006 , is that correct ? And they really haven't taken hold anywhere for whatever reason . To catch one lake or stream is an enomoly. By now they should be at least somewhat established somewhere and nat reproducing in some streams that meet their criteria. Is there any of any substance ? 20 years is hardly instant gratification . Spend they money elsewhere where it's proven . Keep stocking if you wish .

Good flow this year from all the rain . Let's see what happens return wise . Absolutely no reason we shouldn't have a good Atlantic return .

Time marches on LL . It's not the 1800s . All the phosphorus in the pollution caused the Alwive explosion , and that why we have our current fishery . And the ballasts of the ships with the Zebras cleaned up the lake . And the gobies gave us the best Smallmouth fishing in the world . So things sometimes work out . Back before Columbus discovered America this area was tree covered and grasslands . FF to now . Miles of roads , parking lots , and farm fields that get blasted by the sun . Then it rains and all that heated up hot water gets drained into the creek . No amount of trees planted will stop that . And how does that work ? Plant a bunch of saplings and close off sections of stream so they don't get trampled and when they do take hold ,they restrict the fisherman to those spots ? All for something that Might work . Mother nature has done a great job and selected the Atlantic salmon to not be part of the Lake Ontario fishery IMO . Be happy for what we currently have and the species that thrive here .

And that's just fine with me . Let mother nature do the restoration .

My tally shows more lake fish than trib fish . The survey guy said less returns than expected . If the Atlantic's are in the lake , why aren't they running the tribs ? If it because they prefer something or other , at least one of the lake Ontario or Canadian tribs should have that and returns should be strong there by the now . Is there some trib that is meeting that expectation ? LL , you suggest directing canal water to somewhere else . The Holley Falls Park people would like to talk to you about that . Sandy doesn't need less canal water , it needs more . Take a drive mid summer and see how much water is flowing before the canal water enters the steam . It's a trickle . Without canal water the lower stretches would be hot and super weed infested stagnant water . Water might even be warmer . Without the fall slow release. , fall brown fishing during drought years would be a bust . Flow draws fish upstream . And the Atlantic's should be part of that but for the numbers stocked , for some reason they are not . I'm against any Atlantic specific improvements or changes to the stream . It's a gem as it is . Only thing it needs is more flow during low water years . Kings , Cohos , Browns and Rainbows run it and do well . Leave well enough alone . It is what it is . The state already screwed up the King fishing there , probably for the Atlantic's that are not meeting expectations. And why not a new modern Hatchery that could serve all western and central NY . Maybe Walleye , Tiger musky , and both LO and inland trout . Money better spent . Keep stocking the Atlantic and see what happens . Sandy has great flow this year. It should be a banner fall trib wise . If Atlantic's don't show this year in numbers , they more than likely never will . Stock domestics again , more Browns . Something proven . And how has man screwed up the overall fishery of LO ? We have some of the best fishing in the world . It ain't 1842 anymore . It's progress . And Yeah , right about the building inspectors . Give me a break .