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I have a hard time believing 40 lb line wouldnt lessen your hits. I guess if they are feeding in low light it might not matter as much but on clear, sunny, calm days its got to maker a negative difference. Ive got too many years on the water to tell me otherwise. Hey whatever works for you, go for it.

Ive never had a flea on the 20 lb. FF either, thats why I want it.

I found it online and ordered it but by the time I paid shipping it was 17 bucks a spool. Sh*&t! I hear mixed reports about wether 30 lb big game works for fleas and if the # of hits decreases. My instincts say it would but I dont dispute anything anyone claims.

I was told by Sharon at Narbys (Oak O) that Cortland may be out of business and that Flea Flicker line is no longer available. Shoot, now what?? That stuff works pretty well. I was told to try straight big game 20-30 lb but wont that get fleas and less hits too? Why doesnt anyone else make this?

What is the most popular radio channel or channels for Oak Orchard? I was there last week and tried 7 and 72 and heard nothing even though there were 25 boats out. Or maybe guys dont talk anymore??? Thanks

Sluggo, I was told by a tackle shop owner that Cortland is no longer selling the Flea Flicker line. Im not sure if that is true but it does work perfectly (20 lb.) for me out in Lake O but not sure what I'll do to buy more since I need more. The 30 lb seems too heavy anyways to get any hits doesnt it? Nice eye and thanks for trying to release it Kevin. BP

OK thanks much. Is that on Indian land and any special permits?

Where exactly is the cattauragus Creek launch? Are there any other launches on the eastern end other than Erie Basin, SBH, and Sturgeon Pt.?

Landshark....you're the man!! Awesome and released too so there are more for future generations. You see that Bosco, hes the definition of a true sportsman.

Im the one who started this post so now I'm going to give my opinion. I feel anybody who keeps a big breeder female Walleye that big is only being selfish. They are cheating the fishery as a whole by not allowing those big breeders to spawn or to reproduce again if they are spawned out. They are in the process cheating other fisherman who may at some point not catch any walleyes that they may have caught had the big breeders been released. Since the state does not care about Walleye stockings in most places (see trout & Salmon stockings) like they should, it is up to the conservation minded fishermen to take it upon themselves to do the right thing. Anybody who wants to eat a 12 lb Walleye needs to know that the 3-4 lbers taste a whole lot better. As far as being within the legal limits cause you paid $29 bucks for a license, thats BS. Does the DEC get everything right? hardly. Seriously....Do the right thing. It's one thing for a weekend guy to keep a once in a lifetime fish and something else when a charter guy does it on a continual basis. What is there not to understand about the importance of catch and release? Its 2012 remember?

Forget about livebait too much hassle and too slow a search process. Try spinnerbaits, suspending stickbaits and spoons. If Pike are in the mood, they will hit but you may need to experiment with speed, color and size. Calm days are tough as Pike Love wind. Usually they hit better around 8-11 AM and then 4-7 PM. I have found that real early is not as good as 8-11 AM range. Try the skinniest invisible metal leaders you can find and dont forget to release the big gals.

One of the best known charter guys on Henderson preaches releasing the big female walleyes and keeping the smaller ones to eat and I totally agree with him in theory yet time after time in various publications he has "hero" shots at the dock of huge walleye he and his customers have kept. Some 12-13 lbs.ish. If they want a mount, reproduction mounts look just as good or better as the skin mounts. What would you do if you got a huge one or have already got a huge female walleye in eastern Lake Ontario ?

No I was talking about a regular cheater line using a downrigger. So I should only use the 1 giant swivel on the SD?

Can someone tell me if there is supposed to be 2 huge swivels or 1 on a Spin Doctor? I know there is 1 in the front where it connects to the line but Im not sure about the back. Also what is the ideal length of a cheater line? Thanks much. BP

Anybody know the results of the duck hunters perch derby on Seneca?

Hmm I was wondering what happened too cause last week I had to work my a$% off for 25. Not typical for this time of year. Could they be done already? Shoot about 10 days ago I was getting them in 35 feet and ran out of minnows. Where are they?

I think the schedule is about a month ahead now with the warm weather. I have a feeling they will stop by mid April or sooner this year instead of early May. Hope Im wrong. Water was 46 a few days ago.

Has anyone been out in the open water for I bay perch lately? I see no ice anywhere not even the edges.

If it was one, it was definitely a straggler as there is not a population of tigers or pures in Seneca. Theres no disputing that. A straggler is definitely possible though with the canal. There was one caught (with pic) in Lake Alice a few yrs back that I saw and theres none in there either. Thats connected to oak orchard creek above the dam so it had to come from the canal somehow too.

good point about it maybe being a tiger from Cross L, thats not that far. Isnt there alot of dams/locks on the oswego river that would make it impassable for a pure from the lake?

yeah same difference canal starts at mouth of river. Anybody have a photo of a Rochester musky?

I guess it's possible technically for one to come in through the erie canal but it would have to swim from Lake Erie. Where else are purebreds connected to the canal? That is a first for me in almost 50 years of fishing local waters of hearing a musky (pure) come from Seneca. I guess anything is possible but many casual anglers do mistake pike for muskies which is why the DEC has signs all over musky waters making sure people can see the difference.

From my informal research there were very few caught in the central basin (Rochester area) in the recent past. Rumors here and there but not many confirmed catches even by accident. Doubtful anyone targets them in that area. I have spoken to DEC biologists and never any reports of central basin catches. Had a thread on here for years and again no confirmed catches other than 1 or 2 to my recollection. I will try to find the thread if its still here. And muskies in Seneca? You are definitely mistaken. Not a purebred anyways without photo proof. Here is the thread from 2007 on up. 3 pages viewtopic.php?t=2957

Larry, Forget Seneca cause it has Trout in it and stocked trout as well. Once the DEC hears the word "trout", everything else takes back seat. They are so obsessed with stocking trout instead of walleye, muskies, etc. in the area lakes. Not sure if the muskies would mess up the jumbo Perch population either but seriously Conesus is ideal. They already stock tigers, theres no Trout, and just a perfect warmwater lake for them. Theyd have some competition from the huge Pike though. Where do I sign?

I was there on Tues and they were still there but as soon as the docks are gone, forget it. The water is so low, you'll mangle your boat. I usually do what old man said too and go anyways without the docks but I think it is just too low this year. Did manage a nice fat 38"er though. Darn.