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  1. Hey Tom , just finished fishing 10 days out of Wilson. We had a good week caught nothing but kings. We didn’t go all the way to the bar. Fished four mile, and down 4 to 6 miles out of port. There were a bunch of fish and bait all week in that 50 to 80 foot of water. We moved them pretty good until mid week, but then the boat traffic and high sun put them down. The last couple days we hunted the 200 to 250 depths and found a good class of fish many in the high teens low 20’s. We did finish in 10th place with a 24.10 salmon. Parked rigggers 100 to 120 down and divers out to 300 and had them snapping pretty good. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  2. Nicely done. Can’t wait to be able to cross the border and swing your beautiful streams again. Tight lines. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  3. You’ll need a handful when you hear about the sea run Brook trout program. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  4. They just loaded the LL on Champlain. The LL are not only for fly fisherman. Many gear and float anglers catch them in the tribs, and many are caught in the lake. Having fished for them in many different places, LL salmon are truly happy in rivers. They enter as early as right now , I hooked a dime bright salmon in the Oak this past week that likely ran in with the better flush of water . There have been several caught on the Salmon river this month running in from the lake. They will enter all spring summer and fall when conditions are right. Last summer anglers fishing near the dam at the Oak caught some LL. They can tolerate water temps into the high 70’s. So this species can fill several nitches for a combination of both lake and river anglers. I’ve caught them trolling but in my humble opinion and my experience is they are made to be caught on rod and reel in a river where the angler is one on one with the fish without being pulled by the boat as well. Fish that I’ve experienced that have jumped high enough that I’m looking up at them. They are actually faster in the water than king salmon coupled with their acrobatics makes them a very worthy target. So the state and feds are working together to enhance this species for anglers to enjoy. At the same time they are not limiting any of the other species except for circumstances like bait fish issues the past three years. NYS has only been stocking 20k fish. With some added fish from Tunison who are experimenting with strains and sizes of fish through how long they hold them. In the end this study takes nothing away from the other species and provided though limited at the moment opportunity to catch another top level game fish. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  5. That’s exactly the reason they passed on I Bay. But Tunison at Cornell are raising fish a little longer and bigger before release to where they may be less of a bait target. No matter where the fish are stocked they have to survive predators . 2019 to 2020 trib creel census results of LL caught at Oak Orchard creek from fall to spring was 2700+. They stock the Oak fish in the harbor just several 100 yards from the open lake. Last spring DEC stocked the entire salmon river group at the mouth of the river to see if they get a great return like the oak gets by not having the fish run the river to the lake. They could do the same thing at IBay. We have natural repo of king salmon and steelhead in irondequoit creek. This creek is of the highest quality of any of our local tribs. Lots of access all the way to Fishers NY with much more canopy keep waters cool including many springs that seep into the bed of this Trib. However since no more stocking of Kings or steelhead at Sandy and the ending of stocking domestic rainbows in LO may be their reasoning. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  6. The penned fish are only an experiment being done this year at the lighthouse marina on the Salmon river. They are simply taking part of the stocking allotment of the salmon and penning them to see if they get a better return. So just part of original Adirondack stocking. Yes DEC has decided to put LL’s in Sandy. Many of us tried to push for irondequoit for the main reason of better habitat. Yes they did do a stocking in the 80’s and actually it was very successful and not sure why they backed off. The total cost of this experiment is less than 5 k for materials. Cobelskill college welds the pens up. There is a group of volunteers already in place to put the pens together and care for the fish. I simply can’t understand why there is so much negativity every time DEC is diving into more science. This was NOT a program that trib fishers came up with. This strictly is the program of Steve Hurst the bureau chief of fisheries. Some of you guys always run way off track and never truly have the story straight. DEC is working with USF&W to obtain more LL to try to work towards creating an annual sport fishery of this native species. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  7. Why I admire you Rick, you’re willing to take the hard road for your clients wishes. It’s not only about the numbers for you and your crew. You guys are salmon fisherman through and through even as tough as it might be. Nicely done. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  8. Sammygee I’ve been running around Alaska for the past 25 years. You have a better chance to actually king salmon fish if you fish out in Bristol Bay but then the Halibut experience isn’t as easily available. Kenai has the biggest kings on average along with the Kisseloff river that runs into the Kenai near Soldotna on the peninsula. The salmon fishery in Alaska is the most regulated fishery in the world. If the fish counters the Alaska Fish & Game department have in place at the mouth of the river are not showing enough fish have entered they shut the salmon fishing down immediately. The biggest risk for a fishing trip to Alaska is trying to get to fish Kenai Kings. In July you get huge runs of Sockeye and while not kings are real rockets for a fight on rod and reel. For my money Homer is the place to go out of for Halibut. The fleet of boats out of there are excellent. Plus it’s close to the Anchor river which gets a run if kings if you can fish them. Google Mark Glassmaker’s guided trips. He can provide the king fishing, halibut trips. And fly outs and he has excellent cabins right near the river. Mark is also deeply involved as a stakeholder in the King fishery management. He will have first hand knowledge of what is going on next year. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  9. Gill they will still end up draining the canal for the season. Normally for safety and maintenance reasons. NYPA Met with Lake Ontario stakeholders who could describe the benefits of pulsing water through the streams connected to the canal. 18 Mile, Oak and Sandy would be the major beneficiaries. For this first go round they targeted Oak and Sandy. We can see the success of this effort especially this year with our drought situation that the pulse of water induced some really strong runs of fish earlier than would have ever happened this year. We are just now getting water levels back to normal with the past two weeks of rain. I can’t speak for further west of the Oak but from there to Sandy the angler usage has been heavy. A large portion of the anglers are from out of state. So we can assume there has been an uplift economically to Monroe and an Orleans county. During the meetings NYPA also discussed usage of the canal during the summer season with not only the western canal towns, but also the east side of Rochester to look at programs (summer kids and adult fishing derby’s, and other water related festivities) to get awareness of the canal as a resource for families to enjoy. DEC was also present and I and others raised the issue of PFR’s. If raising the popularity of the LO trib fishing works, access could become an issue. DEC stated they would be pursuing more PFR’s especially along Sandy since it runs a long way from the lake to Holly. This might also improve the late season near shore trolling if they Crank this up in Sept at the Oak and Olcott as well as the pier fishing. So just getting started but early results look positive. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  10. Even with increased flows with the lack of water we have unfortunately it hasn’t kept them at bay. But salmon season is waning and those folks are being replaced by better ethical style anglers. But the goal was to induce fish in the streams and I can tell you that worked in spades. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  11. Thanks for putting this up Jerry. Lindsay and I were asked to be involved with the panel of stakeholders who met with NYPA to discuss this a year ago August. The panel confirmed along with elected officials from Orleans County how impactful the trib fishery was to the area from a tourism aspect so they decided to enact this pulse to local streams. I can tell you from personal experience the past three weeks it’s brought fish in bunches, and with it lots of fisherman from all over the NE US. Oak and Sandy are very busy. And the fishing has been good. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  12. Don’t know Lucky. Maybe just to make it easy from a date perspective. I fished the river today. Steelhead showing down low hanging around the horde of salmon spawning. Fished the upper fly later and lots of spawners up there on gravel. Upper river not real busy except for Ellis cove. Few cars at trestle and sportsman’s. DSR was busy but this week they lowered the number of anglers by 100. Lots of room to fish, got schooled by two big dime bright bows. Saw some others caught. Definitely transitioning from the salmon crowd to the serious Steelheaders. I do know the hatchery takes early eggs and some later arrival fish eggs, so that might be the reason the LFZ is still closed.
  13. No not till Nov 1. Talked to Fran and they’ve been throwing people out of there every day the last two weeks. They have a sign up saying it opens 11/1. As you know it’s crazy time up there. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  14. In all fairness with the extreme drought we had and warm water, my concern wasn’t about could the fish get to the hatchery but how would they do health wise in low warm water. Luckily while we didn’t get the rain we needed, we did get many cool and cold nights that lowered water temps into the 60’s in Sept. and down into the 50’s the past two weeks. Many years they can’t start egg take the week of the Columbus Day because water temps remain above 60 degrees. So we were fortunate to get those cold overnight temps into the 30’s for many days up in the Salmon River watershed. I’ve spent over 20 days on the water the last five weeks and I’m surprised by the number of salmon I’ve seen on local small tribs as well as the Salmon river. I didn’t expect to see the numbers I’ve seen this year after three years of stocking cuts. However with three years 17-19 of high fall and spring water I truly think we have a much greater natural population of fish than I ever imagined. I hope DEC can get to their king clipping program next spring. I think now more than ever we need to truly understand what the impact is of wild fish so the state can understand if we are recovering the forage numbers to return to traditional stocking numbers. There are tons of salmon spawning in the lower salmon river. Way more than I think many of us expected to see. I haven’t been in the upper spawning gravel for a couple weeks, but would figure since so many fish made it to the hatchery it would be loaded as well. Certainly a much bigger run after the lower return last year. Including our local streams. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
  15. Here’s the unofficial word from the hatchery ( obviously they want to ...have to announce this) but from reliable sources sounds like they met their king salmon egg take in three days. No idea what the goal was (haven’t heard what that number is ) but they are finished Coho’s are next and they have a huge group of coho’s in the hatchery and expect to easily meet their egg take goals. Word from some acquaintances who worked the egg take they sampled some really nice big fish. And from the cohos I’ve caught and have seen caught we have a nice healthy group of fish that many believe are a little larger than usual. So despite the low water and heavy fishing pressure the hatchery experienced a solid run of kings and cohos and will be in the process of raising them for next season. Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United
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