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  1. We were out this evening. Set up at 25 and screen dried up for us past the 27. Made it out to the 29.5 before turning around and hit fish again around the 26. Wasn’t a great evening. Bite really died once the wind switched to the east.
  2. Little better to the East off Ibay. We dropped in at the 25N and made it to the 31.5N. Temp and fish 100-120 down. Temp came up above 90 around 30N but screen dried up. Best water for us 27N - 28N with a good mix of steelies, 2 year olds and matures. No LOC fish though. We did donate a shark weight as well today!
  3. Spot on about the zebra mussels. IMO the biggest factor causing bait declines. The lake was filthy with bait up until the early 90’s when zebra mussels took hold. Zebra mussels probably have leveled off now, but their continued existence, the low phosphorus loads and general cleaning of the the Great Lakes is making it hard for bait to bounce back to the levels we had. To consistently grow 30 and 40lb fish requires enormous amounts of bait. Fishing would not be as good as it is now if we had the amount of bait we had back then. Michigan has seemed to bounce back a bit with the size of their salmon, with the new Great Lakes record king being caught in recent years.Their salmon have been stocked before LO and have had plenty of time to evolve as our LO have. They experienced a huge decline in size for well over a decade but were able to bounce back. Gives me hope with our LO fish. I do believe there has to be a balance between quantity and quality for that to happen. Quantity is not something many folks are willing to sacrifice though. If I recall, some of the large high 30 and 40lb salmon caught on the Canadian side of LO in recent years were rare 4 yr old fish. Selecting for larger and older size Kings at the hatchery is one thing we can do to keep size up given our current ecosystem. Not much we can do about everything else but that is one thing that is totally in our control. Again, if your parents and grandparents all lived to be 90 years old, it is likely you will live long too. I know, not a guarantee, but the odds are in your favor. Would make a huge difference if even 5% of our Kings could make it to 4 yrs. That said, is there any data on how many returns are 3 and 4 yr olds? Not sure if there is even enough returns of those age structures to get the eggs we need for stocking?
  4. Slow for us today as well. 1 for 3 on the inside for browns. We then worked back and out between 200 and 350 or so off the ledge. Slow pick with a 22 being the biggest. Never had a great screen all morning.
  5. I get it, but more likely that two tall people would have a tall child then two short people, lol. I would think that two large fish would have a better chance of producing large offspring then two small fish.
  6. Just my opinion, but we have a lot of bait, but not nearly as much as we had in the 80s and early 90s. Seems like we have more salmon too, which decimate any good hatches we have pretty quickly. Not scientific, but high catch rates like we have now and smaller size usually indicate lower food supply. Granted we are all better fisherman now then we used to be, but back then it was rare to catch over 10 salmon in a morning. I think the salmon we have now have evolved in many ways to LO, part of it could be smaller size. I’m all for introducing new genetics. At the very least we should be taking eggs from the cream of the crop at the hatchery to help combat smaller size which makes the most sense to me. If a six foot tall man and woman had a baby, the baby most likely will be tall too. Pure logic on that one.
  7. Sandy or Braddocks Bay would be more port of choice most of the year. Browns, Lakers, Kings all great fishing throughout the Summer.
  8. Browns get hammered by just about everything when they are stocked. Cormorants have a field day on them for sure. They don’t move much for days and sometimes weeks after being stocked and are sitting ducks. Barge stocking seems like it would help. Has there ever been any research on barge stocked vs shore stocked survivability? The amount of money thrown out the window when these get stocked is sickening. Such a waste. Surprised we have as good of a brown fishery as we do given what I’ve witnessed.
  9. Nearshore structure are the best holding places for browns. Haven’t fished Oswego much but I believe there is some great shoreline down there. Browns in the lake tend to stay as close to shore as possible, temperature permitting, which is why areas with structure nearshore tend to produce better especially in Summer and Fall. In Spring, any warm water outlet or sometimes beaches can be good that warm faster. Structure areas will produce in Spring too, especially if there is a stream nearby that warms the water slightly. They can travel some long distance in the lake unlike when they are stocked in streams. Tagged browns in Canada have been found on the south shore. I think they settle more in areas with better structure that regularly hold bait around the lake as opposed to offshore salmon and steelhead that travel with the current and bait. Here in ROC, I’m going east or west if targeting browns and have not had great success with anything in between for browns, minus early Spring. In clear water in the Spring, I will target any water that has color no matter where it is. Hope that helps.
  10. I remember docking next to you and Gratson for a few years. Miss those days. Bigger boat now doesn’t allow me to travel around the lake like we used to. I learned a lot from our conversations. Your talent as a lake guy is way under rated compared to your trib fame. I see there are a lot of 2 year olds as expected.
  11. I think the later runs has more to do with evolution and natural selection. All those salmon that ran in the warm water never passed on their genes because they all died before their eggs could be collected. Remember all the floaters in late August and September? The fish that ran later when conditions were better were the ones that made it to the hatchery. Over decades the population selected for fish that ran later and likely didn’t stage as long either. I’m with yankee in that average size is probably a good indication of the bait population. Also, all these 1 and 2 year olds we had this year are absolutely going to destroy what bait we have over the next couple years. The amount of 1 yr olds was insane this year.
  12. Thought I read it on this forum somewhere. Can't find it. Maybe I imagined it:)
  13. Thought I heard water levels were going to be raised 2nd week of Oct to allow boats to be pulled. Anybody know if there is any truth to that?
  14. Was out this afternoon off Ibay and east. Temps 80-90 down now. Decent brown bite with some small salmon mixed in.
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