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  1. . This is unfolding just as I thought it would. Sneak it in while no one is looking . Politics as usual . nice letter but it won't mean much without numbers(votes). Sounds like it might be to late but you never no ,got to act fast or get out the vaseline.
  2. I really have to say that this facinates me as to the reasons why each one of us fish. It is quite tellling the reasons i have read as to the yes & no's of this. It seems that some of you treat these fish as if they are enemy combatants or worse. just pawns inthe grand sceem on your way to victory. Zap the ========= come on whats up with that. At least in the bass trnys they keep the fish alive to fight another day. At least show them a little repect.I know we have to keep them for wayins but come on. Some of us with attitudes like that will be digging our ouw gravesfor the anti's. And yes I have issues but I kind of think most are good. I would like to say I have grown in my many years of angling. Is an extra rod reall y going to improve your quality of fishing & I don't mean catching. H aving a trolling spread the size of a super Walmart including the parking lot is sportmanlike? Many of you lake guys trashed the stream guys for what they do. Look in your own back yards gentelmen. Is it just a numbers game ? I guess to some it is . As long as the competition is even what differnce does it make? Some charters when this first got going guarantee fish or no pay . I told my buddy Shongo he should to keep up. He said , " I guarantee a good time on th e water and not catching fish some days is part of it. " Smart guy that Butch. And thanks for the insults guys . It really makes my day . I'll take the side I think is right every time even if nobody else does.I'm a hard head that way. Thats why I guess I didnt do well in high school. Somebody has to look out for the fish a little. I changed my mind on the mills but not this. I know a little more about this one. Thanks for your facts on those LL . great job, all should see them. LL can he use that rig on the Salmon river or Sandy or the Oak where the S&R run? Can't remeber the last trot line I tripped over or even saw but in an antique shop. I would say they are in kin with a tip up.
  3. Well I would have to say the egg also only because it would take 2 chickens ,right? With as much fun as I have on this site i really have to give up my money for pro , put up or shut up so to say. Most would probably prefere the later.
  4. It's easy to say yea lets do change the law but is it realy the right thing to do? Sometimes the laws are in place because some lack common sence.( not saying you do) I like to think i take the side that is right not the popular side, That to me tells me I have caracter & integrity& am not afraid to stand up for it even if it makes me unpopular . I say leave the law the way it is . Enjoy what you wish. And be carefull what you wish for you might just get it. The search is part of the fun , man! Enjoy the journy, thats my point !And no offense to your friends but mine aregreat but dopes somtimes. You still havent answered the question.
  5. This is really facinating to me. If in these pro ams every boat ran one more rod everthing would be the same , correct? I have days I don't get a hit I also had days I hammered them but to me it isn't the point here. And no I don't fish the tounements . Time is a fzctor for me with them, And I probably could not compete with all of the rest of you.I ask again If there was a gizmo that would make any fish that was in you spread hit your lure without fail, would you buy it? I havent taken my 21 ft set up boat out of the barn for 5 years this spring for a few reasons I wont go into , but I have continued fishing . When I did have it I ran 4 rods most of the time somtimes 6 on 4 riggers or board s or dipsys or whatever. My best day out with 3 of us was 54 fish on with 36 landed, with 2 kings apro 20, 4 rods. My second best day or maybe my best was 14 kings 9 over 20 lbs w/ my dad & I w/ 2 rods , dodgers & squids back in early 90's so better get out the sleeping pills dude. You want to change the law & I vote no. I have a 16 ft glorified rowboat I do get out on the lake with w/ 2 man rigger & I run 2 rods & do pretty well with. Check my old posts about a fishing EFA. Maybe you could factor that in your pro ams. Or limit the rods you can use to 1 per man & only can take 8 lures out with you. I think that would be kind of fun. By a bigger boat more rods & lures better & better electrnics & keep hammering them & have fun. And I dont want to find somthing else to do other thsn fish , Its what I do & I dont want it to get to the point where laws have to be put in place to limit what I can do now because of a few. Circle hooks anyone?
  6. I love to catch fish I think about it all the time & prpare for it for many hours. Having 12 rods instead of 8 for your pro am will make a difference for you ? If someone invented an electronic gizmo that made every fish that swam thru you spread hit any lure you had down ,would you buy it? The day you catch a big fish every time you put your line in the water , well you may think yourein heaven but yourereally in hell. Reeling fish in & gettihg them to hit are two different things, they have machines that can do that . I take guys on my boat that dont know a spoon from a stickbait but they love to reel them in . Sorry if your guys take offense but thats how it is in my eyes . More rods of C&R will mean more dead fish floating but only if the fisherman using them can make them hit. Canada use to allow only one rod per so I think we would be happy with two but I guess more is better. Be happy for what you have & enjoy that boat ride a little more. If someones soul porpose iin fishing is to catch as many fish as possible to win a tournament I feel as I said before , maybe the anti's are right. PS I kind of use to be that way.
  7. I feel that you guys make my point for me with the fact that you are more worried about the results than the act. Like I said some won't be satisfied till they have a fish on all the time they are out or their trip is considerd a failure. Like I said I like to catch fish as much as the next guy but where does it end. Who will come up with a pair of side boarda that will plane out to 200 yards on both sides. And what is next ? Salmon trolling has become a controlled science equation to me. once the rods are set , watch the instruments and dial it in. You can get a monkey to reel the fish in .Sorry to you guys that take offense to that but it seems to me thats how it is,and some want more rods in the water to get their numbers up.Most guys are not fishing for food so a few more fish on will only be more " fun " . I belive C&R of lake fish has a pretty high mortality rate so more rods mean more dead fish to me. I have been out there since the begining & not much in the last few years , so I do know a little about this. Fishing not catching. Be happy for what you have & don't ruin it.
  8. I have a smile on my face allmost all the time. It is about the journy not always about the results. Many of the reasons I read about this three rods don't really make sense to me. With all the equipment that gets bigger & better every year, to me it begs the question when is it to much? I have spent a ton of money on my fishing habit like most of the rest of you . I want to catch fish as much as the next guy & I HATE losing,but where is the sport going to. I am afraid it is getting to the point where the anti's may be right.I dry my cloths on a drying rack I pulled out of someones trash. I keep my heat down as low as I can stand. When I built my house I instaled doors at key locations to seal off a lot of my home to save heat so I do belive I do my part. The fight is the reward of doing the hard part right, getting them to hit. Lets leave a little anglers expertise to that factor.And the looks of those fans realy don't bother me all that much. I worked on edgemere drivetoday & you cant even see the lake from the road because the houses are packed in so tight. Thats worse to me. I don't like them for the facts Longline showed us . That they dont work as promised .I went down to the stream yesterday & never had a hit. I don't think I failed. It happens & made me think about what I need to get better at to get them to hit in that situation. Like I said , you need to get skunked somtimes to appreciate the good days more. Every day I get skunked I respect the fish a litle more.
  9. Why do I always have to take the unpopular side? I just don't know. First of alll its called fishing , not catching here gentelman. There are days that you should go out and get skunked . To me THAT is what keeps me coming back . The challange of it . It seems some out there in fish land won't be happy untill they have a fish on all the time. Is our attention span that short in this got to have it now world ? Kind of like flipping the remote on the TV all night( I do that , drives my wife nuts) . Huge boat some with all comforts , powerfull depth finders in full color that can see the thermocline sometimes, Up speed & temp , down speed & temp, GPS w/ maps to hotspots so you know where to go before you get there acurate to a few feet 'all guess work taken out, underwater cameras so you can actually see what is going on , Downriggers w/ pos ion that go up and down that can be interfaced to helm so you don't need to get off you butt to lower or raise them .Side boards that go out farther & farther. 600 ' plus ofcopper , dipys, lead line . Situation rod & reels w/ best drags.A trooling path 100 yars wide & 200 yards long. & some still can't hook up. And I'm sure I left somthing out. I can remember in the glory days hearing on the radio" we only landed 18 fish today" . Only. To you C&R guys , what do you do with the ones you fight for 30 min from 100 ft down ' without slowing the boat down so you don't loose a chnce at a double & are tangled in the hooks & bleeding ? Are you the same guys who cry about the stream guys? Three rods ? Well i'm off to the stream , W / my 8 wt fly rod( albiet a good one) and my tuft of fuzz tied onto a size 10 hook w/ my leaky boots to try & land one off natures wonders on 4-6 lb test. If I get one great , if not well I will go down to the vise & tie up somthing better and try again another day . After fishing for these fish since the begining I have really gotten a huge respect for them. Three rods? I think not.
  10. I worked in a house today with about 10 guys in it and brought up the subject & most new little or nothing. A local polititian showed up , he's a lumber salesman & I asked him. He knew more than he let on I think . I told him it was a scam & not to be fooled by it . Told him of Lowville etc. He said he knew it would not make money but sounded like he was in favor of it. Probably promises of tax revenue , jobs, etc. This is why the word needs to get out now. Letter in ed page of D & C today.
  11. I am quite sure the elbow rubbing & back scratching is in full form as we speak . All of what Longline said may be true but the most important factor I see off what I have read thanks to him is that they don't work as promised. That alone is enough for me. And with what went down in Copenhagen , the timing of this sounds a little to coinsidental. Coal will be a thing of the past & the alternatives will only be a few with wind being one of them. We are being set up like bowling pins from what I see. Let the reps know now.
  12. Dude I use to not tell anyone anything but now I tell everyone everything . I read a book about an old flyfisherman who said that if you are on a fly that is taking and someone next to you is not to give him a few. He will only cacth fish to his own ability and he will respect you for it& that may be you someday. If i tell a guy somthing that helps him get the big one , good for him I'm happy for him . What goes around comes around. I want to get back into derby fishing & thought on my off days in the summer i would get in, . Don't know now. About spring & fall , if they are still behind on payout like I am reading I would watch out. I heard same thing from a few builders I worked for and got screwed from .They were paying me for the house I just finnished with a house they did not sell yet. A ponzi scheme so to speak. I will wait to enter till the last minute & see how it goes. I'm gunshy. New guys might do better.
  13. It is good that someone on this site has the ability and smarts to do the research on this so the rest of us can see & make a decision on this issue. Quite honestly I really don't care if I see these things or the lake front property owners have to either. If they are 1 + - miles off shore I don't think lake front property will be selling at a reduced rate, it will still be desirable. If I have to fish around a few I would not care either but If it will be a catastrophy in waiting I say no way. Maybe someone can start an on line poll to see howguys on this site feel . How do the local & state reps feel about this? At what point is the decision for go ahead at? I asked guys on the creek the last 2 days about this & 2 out of 4 heard little or nothing. Got to get the word out.
  14. Looks like someone gets a gold star for doing his homework. Now these are the facts I want to see. All the speculation in the world can't compete with a few hard facts. Do you know the effects that the mills at Lowville have had on the power grid & how much of their potential that was no doubt promised fufilled. We need to know where the state & power co are at in the approval prosses. The looks dont bother me that much but the rest does.
  15. Is this fact or some internet posting from somr enviromental group about the potential of what can happen?There are more geese than there have ever been in my lifetime. Are there deab birds laying on the ground around the ones already in place? I heard from a freind he saw a study{ dont know how true it is } that a guy who lives around these kept tract for a year of a few & found 4 dead birds. Animals are not stupid & I can't belive that they would go blatantly flying into these things. If it is true then show me the facts & to me it is a valid negative. Hearsay won't do anything . Also at what point is the state in the prosses of looking at this & making a decision & who will make that decsion? Well in headed down to the stream,wish me luck . Hopfully rainbow trout almondine for supper when I watch Tebow.
  16. All i seem to read about on this issue is scientific speculation as the artical in last post. There are abunch of these things around the world in all different climates. Where is the data & testimony from these and the 'experts who actually run them? when I hea r it will or won't do this or that or it has the " potential' to do this or that my ears go up.Thats what they told me about my 401 K . Where is the hard evidence on this issue? Show me what has gone wrong or right , not what will go wrong or right.
  17. As with most things in life there are pros & cons to everything. There are also sacrificesyou need to make for the things we all may want & need. We all know that or at least we should. That being said, this meeting being had to me will probably just be window dressing for a done deal . Thats how things in politics & thats what this is , work. We can send the most intelligent and best talkers to it & my guess is it wo'nt make a difference.I am SURE that they will have their ducks in a row & have every fact & figure to back up their view. It will probably be a go in some form of a compimise. If in fact I am right I feel we should get as much as on the positive side as possible. A seat at the table by citizen based individuals in the form of a coalition of counties boardering the lake with all of us involved to be involved in the decicion making about the where & whats of this.This forum is a good start. Also a give back in the form of money to be deposited in an account for every watt of power that is produced by this. This fund will be under controll of a board of us to be used for project to fund things like hatchery & pen rearing, stream & habitat improvment, derby & tournament , youth education & the list goes on. or we could MF these guys & wind up with a whole lot of windmills & nothing to show for it. I would bet a lot of behind the scences stuff has already been done on their part about this. We need a seat at the table & Tom seems like a good choice along with a few good negotiators or lawyers . If life deals you lemons , make lemonade. Employing a strategy of more than running it up the middle all day could make this a little more tolerable if in fact I am right. I fish that lake also & I want to see what is best all around so step back and look at the big picture.
  18. It's always a pleasure to read the intelligent thoughts on this board. What is a shame is that Americans can't be the investors in such projects & for the life of me I don't know why. The "Hungry" forigners come to this country to make a profit & make their countries strongerand we let them. The opportunity is there for all of us but appathy does take its toll , to long a lot of us have had our heads in the sand ,but I digress. Where is all the algea that frequntly closes the beaches now coming from? Is that the same stuff? And those connectors in the salt water must only last a few months or so.I wonder if they thought of that? . What will the new power plants run on ? Coal, Petrol, or nuKe? Lets put that nuke plant next to the War memorial so that we can heat downtown, Yea , that will work.Obama dosn't want clean coal ,he said that. My uneducated *** might not know all the tech stuff but I do have just a little common sense. We need a more efficient power source an d wind is a viable option .Admit it Longline your primary reason for not wanting them is personal , The fishing & estetics. It shows to me in your posts .I don't blame you for that. I really dont want them either .But a lot of your scientific reasons are assumption & we won't know for sure the effects on the fishing till they are in place if this goes thru.
  19. Well I guess you are right about all that corrosion Nitrate corona effect stuff . I thought that to repel those asian fish they were going to put live current similar to fish shocking at Naples in the water, not heavily coated space age plastic cable. Those fish don't stand a chance with that. All that stuff going on, maybe you should contact theguys who must have overlooked all that stuff before puting up the thousands that are already in place. Those things would shurly have madesome elrc today out there. Could shut down those dirty coal fired plants a bit on days like today. Or save the water behind the dams for day that the wind won't blow. But wait , that would hurt us stream guys in the fall wanting to catch Trib Sal & Trout. And thats the most important thing . And that troublesome algea, getting on your line and making fishing hard. I would hate to see these investors make a profit on somthing of this nature. That would be just Un American. The guys who make , install & maintain them can all , well just eat cake! Plant more Jelly bean fields.I dont mind kissing the arab nations ass & spending 5 bucks for a gallon of gas, as long as the fishing is good.
  20. AH yes lets not forget that it was the Clinton adm that forced banks to loan people who could not aford loans they could not repay , and blame those nasty banks for forcing them to sign the loan papers. Bush did not do us any favors on anything but keep this country safe after911. You build a city under sea leval & what do you expect to happen .& I think we have had a democratic controlled congress since 2006 & all they did was sit on their hands so that their man could get elected in 08 . And while we are at it while the rest of us lost our hind ends in the October financisl suprize of 08, the bankroll of the liberal party George Sorose made 32% on his for a chumpchagne amount of 9 billion with a B dollars .And while most of you guys are out buying the latest & greatest of fishing equipment to help support the local economies , I hope you have 6-10 months of saving readily available to survive on & make all your monthly payments if the economy tanks again when the Obama printing presses run out ink . Maybe he can get some advice from his comunist apointed Zars that are acoountable only to him or go to his church with the honarable Rev wright& his goo d buddy Bill airs. You do know who they are, don't you. I think we jumped from the frying pan into the blast furnace last year. But it's all good.
  21. There are underwater cables in many places that supply elec to islands and such. I think the fish will find & swim up their spawning rivers just fine. I am quite sure that the noise will be drown out by the waves the wind will also create. once the sealed connetions are down why would they need to be cleaned? maybe the lakers will use the embutments for spawning structure. We are worried about planes? All preety weak arguments there Longline. We run gas or deisel powered boat up & down the lake. I 'm sure that has impact. My friend use to live on Long pond & the jet skies & water skiers were so loud he had to keep his windows shut & run the AC to sleep when he worked nights. And yup, its a money grab like most things are . It's all about the dollar & to a certain extent it should be. I don't think it will be as bad as we think. We need more electric every day & it don't come from the Jelly bean fields. And yes , put them on the thruway also. I like nukes , more efficient. My guess is they will be out there soon & the fisherman won't have much to say about it, so lets get something out of it.
  22. Now Misty I want you to think about what you are saying here. As I look at the shorelines of every Bay & lake both ontario & fingerlakes I see docks & homes & cottages on just about every foot that is buildable. Some may say that is unsightly. A lot of the best fishing is right under the docks. The security For those plants mentioned were for nukes I belive. The mills in Lowville are right out in the open. You can walk right up to them. I have seem the mills in a few locals & don't think they are that bad . I would rather not have them but I use elec. & you can't have it both ways. I would rather see them out there than on land . Less impact on humans . I think nuke plants are more efficiant but nobody wants to be neighbors of them . I would have to see the specs & regs about fishing around them before I can make a decicion but I think it is just a matter of time before we see them out there in some capacity so lets try to get something positive out of it.
  23. If in fact that these things are inevitable, perhaps a deal could be struct with the owners of them to offset the impact that they would have on the fishery. Like fully funding of Altmar & other hatcheries & monitering, & maintainence& the manpower to do it. The oil dericks in the Gulf of Mexic oare fish havens so it might not be as bad as we may think. We need power & be independent of foreign so if it is going to happen , maybe it would be in their best intrest from a public relation standpoint to give back.
  24. Yes, and thru it all we still have so much to be thankfull for.
  25. Hows the money situation in California ? The reason we are in the mess we are in is because to many of us are more worried about what spoon color to run instesd of watching the clowns that are in charge of our country. I will not sit back anymore & let it go on without at least saying somthing . If anyone is offended, Well so be it.
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