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And all of them have always been found in the trawls, but until numbers are published for estimating purposes these are nothing but speculations. Also that crack team of trawlers has always done the same grids in the same locations at the same date, there is a problem with that logic. Alewives are temp sensitive, thus too warm or too cold will have a major impact on the findings and count, as they learned 2 or 3 years ago when all was baren and the idiots had to do the trolls again after it was pointed out that you need to be in the same areas but even more important, same temp zones. For as much credit as I personally give these govt boat, I give them just as much grief since there is little to no common sense that sometimes goes with those onboard....

The question become how many young were in the trawler samples. Adult bait #s are nice to know and that is the key to having young bait around, but if all you have is 5-9 inch bait all over the place there isn't going to be anything for the young of the year salmon to eat let along the 2 year olds as well.... I really don't understand why most seem to miss this point. If you can't grow the fish to a big enough size to prey on the adults then you have lost a major battle...

I have seen those too.., This was different. It was really like varying shades of grey but you could still make out the white cheeks and butt feathers. Just a weird sight. If that one is still in the area on Wednesday, I'll try to pic it out, but with all the winds and snow here who knows where it is now.

I saw something interesting last weekend but I was unable to post until now. Has anyone ever come across an albino Canada Goose? The reason that I ask is that last weekend after I had my limit and while I was waiting for ducks to come in, I ended up with about 250-275 Canadas on the pond. All looked like your typical Canada, but one was gray. You could still make out the markings on the cheeks and the difference in back and breast but overall the entire goose was a shade of gray. Has anyone else ever seen this? I wanted to take this one only due to the coloration, but since I was at my 3 bird limit, I was forced to wait until the ducks came in.

Actually it should be on the reader to make that determination, not the poster. “Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.†Ben Franklin There is a ton of unwilling people on this board, myself included, but to understand the logic behind an argument is to truly understand the topic at hand

Sorry, was here well before you, was never a LOTAC member, and I don't tie flies for snagging. But I do enjoy putting you in your place on 2 boards. Shot lines.... now there is a topic that actually has no merit.

They are again a species that spawns multiple times before they expire (naturally) usually 3 to up to 5 times in the tribs based on the hatchery data, but a typical spawner is more like 2-3 spawns in the actual trib, and sometimes they spawn in the estuaries as well. They love to eat the gobies and other invasives so that would help to keep some of the numbers in check, but are needing help from the other species that are out there if the pacifics were gone. The other part is that they are also a species that does not drop their eggs and run straight back to the lake. You will find browns in the tribs from Sept thru april and sometimes into May if the water is cold enough. The ability to have an opportunity to fish for something year round is a good thing in my book. The other part is that they seem to pretty resilient to diseases that are found in hatcheries as well.

Great post, and 100% accurate. The Lake Ontario Shoreline would look the the walking dead TV show with trollers who wouldn't/couldn't adapt, and yes it would stink with alewives....

I take the time to learn about things before I make any statements on any topic. Unlike you I don't speak unless asked, I don't speak unless have knowledge to back up my view, and I also don't speak unless I have a clear and concise understanding of the topic at hand. I have spent hours upon hours looking at reports from the past 14 years State of the Lake meetings that I have attended and the ones that I was not present for, I was able to get a copy of the data that was presented. It actually allows for good readings while waiting for your kids to be born. Lots of time to process the data. So how many more times are you going to question manhood there? I'll leave you with a little ditty to ponder, or work on for some self improvement. I'll begin to take anything you type seriously once you master the 2nd grade phonics classes or your phone/laptop auto correct feature. Until then KEAP makin UrSelf lookin Lik the genus U clame to bee... Now for the North American English version: Until then keep making yourself look like the genius you claim to be. Dude, if you try to use soccor as you call it as a bash, please, PLEASE spell it correctly, it isn't rocket science. It is Spelled SOCCER

Yes, now make like a good little minion and show me tons of photos of you with fish that have boarded at the marina and then tossed into your trash, since there is no way that anyone could eat that much of the flesh of the Lake Ontario over-ripened cantaloupe fish....

This board continues to provide me with a ton of sheer entertainment. weekend warriors who don;t take the time to investigate, read or actually do anything to further their knowledge of the Lake, its history, but to beat their chest, have contests to see who can spend the most money on toys, and gripe that their is too much bait, too little bait, too big of waves, too hot, etc. etc. etc. Jump minions... for your job is to entertain me, and your griping is making me lose interest...

ah yes... UT falcon has found a statement, now I challenge you to state that I want to return it at this point in time to what it was in the 1800s... Here is your crackerjack inspector's badge...

you will never have me banned.... I have not violated any posting rules, and it is too bad that none of you have the ability to see beyond your noses.

You have missed the entire point of the thread once again. No where have i stated that the ecosystem has been damaged. No where do I state that it SHOULD be returned to a point in history. The Kings are here to stay, those are the first words in the 2nd paragraph of my first post. If the Kings were removed from the system, and all of the other "invasive species" were as well, I would love to see the lake stocked with Atlantics and the entire lake turn to an Atlantic, Steelhead and Brown trout fishery. If the Kings are removed from the lake and the invasives are not, then you will have to potentially put another predator in to manage the invasives. Now again for you I even state that it is a "Pipe Dream" in the first post. How much more plain to I have to make it for you? People... You have to read more than the first sentence to comprehend the entire post. An argument is a statement or a sentence, and the valid arguments are followed by reasons why...

Well there is the proof that 1 person didn't read anything..

I challenge anyone here who has issues with my posts to re-read my first in this thread, especially paragraph #2. Most of the people here seem to not be able to get past paragraph 1 thus their personal affliction with my posts. I would also do the same for King Davy's initial post in this thread as well. You will see there has not been any mention by him to say replace 1 species with another, but if one was gone from the biomass, this is the next that he would try and also here is a different way to catch them...

I love this poster... not one ounce of sense in the entire rant. Keep pounding that chest there.... By the way, I really hate soccer, but I fly fish, spin fish, centerpin or float fish, and guess what I prefer the NCAA football over the NFL. Do you also look down at those who drive a different brand of truck than you too, since that is exactly what you have described yourself as doing here by questioning manhood since people don't enjoy trolling let alone fishing for Kings....

King Davy and I have been involved with the DEC for many years, he well before me and both of us since 2002 when I met him for the first time. He and I have quite a few of the same ideas, not 100% of the time but pretty close. Personally we see the same things in the same manner, He trolls and has done it way more than me 20 some years as a guide on LO, but at the same time respects those that choose not to. The key is to manage as a whole not as 1 entity or another. there have been no silver bullets, and there never will be, but you also have to have enough data or make the tests big enough to actually see an outcome. 4-8% might not seem big but a 4-8% over 10 years is huge.