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5 hours ago, Lucky13 said:

Gill- presents a strong correlation.  You are misinterpreting that as causative , i.e. since a is correlated to b, removal of b will cause something to happen to a.  

 

The first thing you are told when being taught inferential statistics is that the presence of a strong correlation is NOT considered proof of a causative relationship, only that there is some relationship.   

You must love dogs ...

Fish often come in to see the rigger weight, and drop back ... they come down to see that.

We fish from around 42'F to around 52'F ... bigger fish normally caught in 42F to 44F ... but not always.

So according to that research, we should all get rid of our dogs, this will certainly cause a rebound in the Alewife population, and as a result we will have record king sizes.

Earl28 has provided some good setups in those pictures.

You'll want to try the following combos:

- 11" spin doctors and Atomik flies ... look at those frog patterns Earl has posted. Get ones like UV Stud Live, Mirage Glow, Glow Hammer, Ultra Green Glow, Pro/Am Glow, Bloody Death, Carmel Dolphin, Hawg Wild ... these can be on the riggers, and/or a braided line with a dipsey, or preferably a wire line dipsey (will impact type of rod you need).

- Clean spoons on riggers. Northern King Green Monkey Puke, Purple Thunder, Watermelon, Hog Wild, 42nd Spoon (actually my favorite).

Early spring silver, blues and coppers/golds seem to work ... the early summer moves to blue and green, end of summer colors are more purple, reds, oranges ... but the greens still work to.

I wouldn't get a million spoons and flies of assorted colors, but rather get multiples of good setups.  Some days there's only one color that works, and we often would through another one or two of the same/similar out in the water.

You mean inline boards or outrigger boards?  Inline boards has to be church tackle TX-44 boards, but there are mods to help prevent them from submerging ... as well as technique in reeling in especially that last 50 ft of line.

But nothing compares to outrigger boards ... fish hits, line releases off the board, you are fighting the fish, not the board.  Big Jon Otter Boat Planer Boards work really well, I know a captain that uses them regularly, and I've tried them vs. the TX-44 boards, and hands down it is way better.

Beer bottle opener.

Lead and copper, typically use longer leads of 20' to 30'.

For dipseys, basically when you real up the line up to the swivel that attaches to the dipsey, the remaining line length to the end of the tackle is the length of the rod.

Typically the leader between the dispey and the spin doctor/flasher is adjusted so that the overall length of the rod is achieved including the dipsey, leader, flasher, leader, lure.

The lead between the lure and dipsey is often pre-set if you use flies, but generally 2 to 3x the flasher length.

You can use longer leaders on dipseys, but then you have to hand bomb the lines in after you've reeled it in to the max.

I think my mate twists the copper, super glues and then shrink wraps over the twist.

Don't quote me ... I am going from vague memory.

On ‎10‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 10:26 AM, whaler1 said:

so its not climate change?  

Good joke.  Not unless you've seen some large ice-burgs floating in the Great Lakes.

Haha.

19 hours ago, chinook35 said:

That doesn’t sit well with the Seaway boys that want shipping to continue as far into winter as possible. It’s all about the $$$$. If they drop the level, the ships can’t carry as much cargo and money is lost There is much more to this than we will ever know


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And now we have come to the bottom of the issue.  Here's your truth people.  Ships are overloading ... lake levels need to be higher to ensure minimum draft is maintained in shallower areas.

I went a couple of weeks ago, soon after my last post. Was great, one of the better returns I've seen in years. They've all run up now, so we have to wait for the bows to come in now.

Thanks. Maybe, see you on the river!

Nice. I live about 5 minutes away. I'll probably go on Friday.

Was that this past weekend?

I river fish, have for many years.

Salmon breathe rapidly when in the rivers ... so I'd say the majority of hook ups are simply placing the hook in the right place at the right time.

No doubt, many salmon are snagged.

However, I have also see with my very own eyes salmon aggressively striking a bait (flies, lures, eggs). I mean the incidents are where salmon are a good

6 feet away from the bait and actually dart out and grab it ... I've seen it in clear water.  I've seen 5 guys at a whole with roe, and then one guy comes along

with a fly, and suddenly they are interested in that one bait ... won't touch the roe, but the fly is on fire. I speculate that this is out of irritation, and possibly some feeding.

I do know for a fact that first thing in the morning they seem to be more active than later in the morning.  Perhaps they have some hunger when they wake up

but after that they have no appetite?

Anyhow, I think the only real legit technique that works is to try and tick them off ... bright colors, keep moving past them, erratic baits.

Silver out of the lake are way better than river run salmon, especially if they've been there for a while and are dark.

We normally keep 14" and under for eating any ways and those are amazing.

When salmon transition for the run, they stop eating, and that's when they turn dark and start decomposing. Stomachs shrink up

to nothing and without that diet, they start deteriorating.

If you catch a silver fish, it means that deterioration hasn't really set in yet, so normally you're good to go. 

6 hours ago, FishingFool34 said:

Still not 100% sure what you're saying. Something about segmenting a wire dipsey? Nobody does that just FYI. You would add segments of mono to be able to attach something like leadcore/copper to a planer board. You wouldn't do that on a wire dispey setup though...

Only reason to do this is if you want to put the dipsey on a planer board to get more separation.  This allows you to have whatever length of wire in the wire (at least by segment length), then clip the board on. I wouldn't do it though ... crazy having all those knots in my opinion.

They work, I've caught some high 20's fish with them. You can dose them with herring scent.

2 riggers one higher, one deep ... I'd cover 42F on bottom one and maybe 48F/50F on top.  Try spoons and meat.

2 or 3 dipseys, again cover range of water depth. Put on SD and flies.  Green, UV

2 or 3 copper ...  probably the 300' and 400', unless water is cold on top, then I'd go shallower.  Meat.

There was high mortality on the North Shore last year in the pens.  Big wind storm pushed ice into the harbors and crushed the pens. Claims of 100% mortality in a few locations.

That could explain the lack of 1.5 year old kings.

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7 strand, 30 lb, smoke, 1000 ft

Nice fish. How much did that one in the first pic weigh?

On ‎6‎/‎30‎/‎2019 at 7:57 AM, nhjim said:

Dont know if i read this wrong.If your attaching a fixed slider to a cable with a rubber band that will break when a fish hits it would be attached to another rod that would count as another rod. sliders/cheaters fixed or sliding would be attached to the line of an existing rod.just dont want to see someone get jambed up on a rod count.

Not exactly what I'm saying.  You'll have a main line and hook that up to the downrigger cable above the ball. Drop the ball say 20 feet.  Attach the free slider line to the main line (it will be loose at this stage). Take an elastic and tie the elastic to the downrigger cable, and the slider swivel.

Swivel is now fixed to cable at exactly 20 ft above the main line lure. But slider is still attached to the main line.  Fish hits, it snaps the elastic, and slides down to the main line lure.  Main line and slider on the same rod.

What temp are you targeting for kings?  Steelhead like it warmer, so will almost always be above the kings.  Around 52F.

That normally puts them 20 to 30' above the target temp for kings (42F to 48F), but it does depend on the thermocline profile.

Just measure where you see 52F as you lower the probe down.

On ‎6‎/‎29‎/‎2019 at 4:11 PM, HB2 said:

I take an egg sinker and crimp it over the knot . 

 

Covers the knot and there is always some weight on the wire to eliminate curling . I use a 2 oz,on my riggers for same result . 

 

It works ! 

That's smart. Some guys use a trout bead right after the knot.

On ‎6‎/‎28‎/‎2019 at 12:14 PM, John E Powell said:

No, fold the site back on itself making a loop. Make an overhang knot with the loop end. Adjust the size of the loop as you tighten the overhand knot. Now squeeze the loop and feed the loop through the swivel’s eye. Then feed the snap through the loop. Close the loop around the snap swivel’s ring and tighten by pulling on the snap swivel.


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That's exactly what I was suggesting.  See the video, I'm just suggesting do the overhand knot first ... as you are.