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OK, so are we really saying blowback isn't an issue?  I think it is for these reasons:

1) You only have so much cable on that rigger ... so blowback means you can reach down as deep with that amount of cable ... and yes, I know you might ask, well how deep you planning on going ... you know some guys are trying to hit 150 ft down ... that's an insane amount of cable out on a 10 lb weight (12 lb as well).

2) Time it takes to get up and down ... blowback can add 30 to 40% more cable ... so that motors gonna be working, and you're going to be waiting!

3) If you also have your dipseys deep ... much better chance of tangles with blowback, especially if there is cross currents at deeper levels.

I'm sticking to my original argument ... 12 lb minimum, 16 lb if you can.

I had a smart troll system, and I could accurately measure true depth vs. length of rigger cable out.

The 10 lb weights had A LOT more blowback than a 12 lb.  Based on that, I would say the minimum size should be 12 lb.

A 16 lb weight is even better ... so take your pick.

I would not recommend anything under 12 lb.

8 hours ago, Rookie Fisherman said:

On Flasher rods no leader, main line right to Flasher swivel.

On spoon rods I leader down with a swivel typically to 20pd Fluorocarbon.  

100%. You should have different setups. If you don't want this, but need the versatility of being able to do both on one rod ... well, he has three choices:

- connect the lure directly to the 30 lb mono line ... not the best, it's a visible and stiff line.

- connect the flasher to the end of a leader ... I'd be tempted using 25# fluoro then, instead of 20#.

- swivel connect a 20# leader to the end of the the 30# mono and be prepared to hand bomb the fish in last 15 to 20 ft.

Don't know ... tried it once ... don't think I'll try them again.

Maple syrup on rainbow or chinook on the other hand ... yummy!  I always cook them that way ... put fish on a cedar plank and cook with a marinade.

I actually let the fillets soak in white wine, maple syrup, balsamic, garlic and some spices for around 4h to 8h in a zip lock bag, then I cook them on the plank. I keep pouring

the excess marinade onto the fillet as they cook.  Then I might drizzle some maple syrup right onto the cooked fish and let it glaze on last 1 minute.  It's exceptional.

On ‎3‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 5:53 PM, horsehunter said:

Sorry I guess I didn't hear about them moving Olcott to the north shore.

Sorry I didn't assume you don't read ... if you look at my 2nd post above, I point out that I am on North Shore ... and then I said the thing about having 4 lines in the water with 2 people because I didn't want anyone to think I was doing illegally, so you know everyone would be happy in their bubbly world.

But even that didn't work, because some people need to make something out of nothing ... especially when if they just read they'd understand a little more. LOL.

Man it's becoming difficult trying to help people nowadays ... so many keyboard warriors out there!

On ‎3‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 5:44 PM, hairybumcrack said:

He's from Ontario on the north shore.  We are only allowed 2 per angler (which is more than plenty).

 

And staging salmon are easy to catch - if you have lyman's.

 

 

Yup, lymans are the way to go for staging salmon.  But I'd rather be catching silver fish in mid to end July than dirty chickens in Aug.

On ‎3‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 5:41 PM, horsehunter said:

 

I'm confused I thought you had 3 lines per angler on the New York side of the puddle.

I'm on North Shore ... Canada. 2 rods per angler.

But still even if it were South Shore ... still 2 guys ... 2 rigger, 2-3 dipseys, 1-2 copper or leadcore (depending on depths I was aiming for).

On ‎6‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 7:41 AM, Fairhurst Fisher said:

Thanks for the feed back, Do you guys catch your fish mostly off down riggers or what? Also any recommendations on area lodging?

Thanks, Heath

Riggers work, dipseys work and copper works.  I wouldn't go out without 2 dipseys and 2 riggers in the water (and a friend to ensure I had 4 lines in the water legally).

8',6" is a good size, I don't think there's any advantage going longer and spending the extra $$$.

The rod tips are going to be higher to the planer boards, and obviously the line out to the side, so there won't be any interference

with the dipsey or rigger rods.

3 minutes ago, Rookie Fisherman said:

 

Yeah love those chairs, they rock and swivel. Nice to sit on at sunset with a beer and a cigar!

 

Lots of spray with the big waves, the ice will build on the deck & back of the house all day. 

 

The waves don't make it up on the lot as they break before they reach the seawalll. Although the wall has taken a beating last two seasons. When you mix high water & big waves its a bad combo. Its slowly coming apart.

 

I heard that property erosion around the Lake is a huge problem ... especially with the rising water levels ... going to cost a few billion $$ no one has to fix it.

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2020 at 1:59 PM, whaler1 said:

We're glad too!!

Yeah, just remember, he doesn't speak for the whole of Canada.

So no point on insulting the whole nation there guys, because you're basically doing exactly what he did.

My children are both US and Canadian Citizens ... so I see plenty of good and bad on both sides of the fence.

No one is perfect.

Just realize who your true enemy is ... stop wasting time on these stupid antics. Like a 6 year old brother bullying their 4 year old brother ... jeez, let's please grow up a bit.

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2020 at 12:42 PM, SteveSchmelzle said:

strange thread.

 

glad I live in Canada.

There's enough idiots here too.  And I'm pretty sure civilians have less firearm rights in Canada than the US.

Install cameras ... and put big signs up warning people there are hidden cameras ... hopefully that persuades them to move on.

17 hours ago, tim said:

Just getting back to the Great Lakes after years away. What lines you guys run for Kings?


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30# mono ... keeps the fleas off, and still a nice diameter to tie knots with.  But generally if going to spoons, we would put on a 15# to 20# fluoro leader around 15' to 20' long.

Dipseys, need braid or wire to the dipsey.  After that we generally tie 30# or 40# fluoro from dipsey to paddle and paddle to fly. Total length from dipsey to fly is around 8 to 10'.

49 minutes ago, Rookie Fisherman said:

Here is a video link out my back door at the Lake House. Camera is 30-35' or so above the water so it hard to get a true perspective.....It is certainly getting snotty out there though. 

 

https://ring.com/share/6798160358817594796

Wow, you can freak some kids out on Halloween with those "self" rocking chairs ... wind obviously needed.

Do you get any big waves coming over onto your lot?

Those sea trout are delicious ... I think I like them better than grouper TBH.  I hope you cooked those up!

On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2020 at 8:39 PM, tim said:

 

Has anybody tried vinyl wrap instead of painting a boat and if so how does it last?

 

 

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My buddy did it and it lasted 3 years without fading or any issues, before he sold the boat ... so it probably lasted much longer, but I can't tell you.

The benefits are ... easy to install, no waiting for paint to dry, AND it stays clean ... no more waxing!  That is a huge issue.  Was so easy to keep shining!

Like just normal vinyl flooring??  Go to Home Depot ... the vinyl will work, as long as the base isn't made of cork. 

On ‎2‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 2:39 PM, Bustersit said:

With no line counter?

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Get the line counter ... you need that for wire ... I mean there's other ways to figure out how much line out ... but they are a pain in the backside. I would never do that while trying to attend to a few other rods.

19 hours ago, Bustersit said:

Ok I have decided I will run 4 wire

What is a really good wire reel with a line counter.

I need to buy two more reels

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I surprisingly got really good life out of the Convector CV30D's.  I don't think you can get better value for money.

Takota  600's are nice, but $$.

21 hours ago, Gator said:

Wire: Mag Dipsy inside and deep on the short 8' rod, 1 setting, #5/124 mm Deeper Diver outside on the long 9 1/2 foot rod 2 1/2 setting.Set them in whatever order you want, but let them deploy slowly, usually I just back the drag off the reel and allow them to pull out. Too fast and you'll have a wire tangle. But don't worry - it happens like once every two years, and usually in crazy wind and current when your gut is telling you that you shouldn't have tried to run four Dipsys in the set.

Yes, this ... but for beginners I'd say set the outside ones first.  The reason is, until you've locked the real and it bites deep into the water, even on a 2 1/2 or 3 setting, the dipsey is not pulling out to the side as much ... it's like just sinking in the water straight down where you plonked it in (on the extreme) ... which is why Gator is saying let it out slowly, so it bites and pulls a bit to the side ... but if you don't know how to do that, and have the inside dipsey deployed ... you can drop the outside dipsey down too fast, it can be inside of the inside diver! Then when you lock that real ... it grips into the water and pulls to the side, right into the inside wire and cause a massive tangle.

If I haven't written that clearly, just trust me and put the outside divers out first.  It'll save you a lot of headaches. If the outside diver hits with a fish, and you real it in and want to redeploy, the safer option is to pull the inside line, then deploy the outside first.  Good time to check or change the inside wire bait.  Once you get good at it, you can deploy the outside without retrieving the inside.

Depends on use, I'd say every 3 or so years.  But you'll feel it, the texture gets a bit rough, and it starts looking frosty/opaque ... that's when you definitely know it's time.

3 hours ago, fisherman21 said:

Lol guys, it’s a BROWN. 100%


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Why?  The picture shows the mouth ending ahead of the eye, not behind ... what is so obvious about it? I tend to think it looks more like an Atlantic.

Exactly

I can see why you are asking ... it's not a slam dunk either way.

10 hours ago, HB2 said:

Sense of smell is a huge part of the animal world . It dictates and triggers behavior  And responses. It may be the sense that humans have evolved away from and depend for survival  less than our ancestors . 

 

Artificial looks and act real , but doesn't smell real  .We all know how well cut bait and brown trout eggs work .  Modern day plastics are impregnated with salt and packed with scent . And are light years,better than early versions. 

 

In the last few years I  have started using and depending on scent more and more  on my bass baits and also on my stream steelhead flies with great success . I have used it years past but have found one that I like a lot . 

 

So don't discount it . 

 

 

 

 

 

I think I'm going to bring a banana on my next charter outing and see what happens. LOL.