Cody191

I hunt both in northeast pa. As far as woodcock go, I generally start seeing them around the last week of October here during there migration. Not many here the rest of the year. If your area doesn’t hold them year round and your depending on the migration bringing them in you may be late but I don’t know for sure. For grouse, we have them but not in good numbers. Here your best chance of getting one is the first couple days of the season. Once they’ve been bumped a couple times they get real spookey and won’t hold and usually you just hear them. Growing up we had a cabin in upstate New York. Around gouvereur. This was a long time ago but there was a lot of grouse there. If I was going to target grouse in New York and was willing to travel I’d probably start somewhere in the Adirondacks/upstate. A trip to Michigan is an easy way to get these birds in numbers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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I totally get it with hounds. Them things can end up in another country. Especially coyote dogs. I guess my point was just that bird hunting doesn’t have to be crazy expensive to do well. It’s just easy to fall into the gear hype these days. I’m not immune. The money I got into fishing equipment is ridiculous. And there’s plenty of days I don’t do well and look at all that crap and I’m like for what. I could go buy a ribeye and save money. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The dog thing doesn’t have to get crazy. I shot an awful lot of birds in my life over a well trained dog with no collars. Yes if your ultra competitive they give you an advantage. I hunted Saturday with my dog with a bell and my buddy with 2 setters with alphas. We had our 6 birds by 9:00am. My vizsla pointed 4 out of the 6 less than 30 yards from us. His dogs were way out. Yeah it’s cool I guess when your handset tells you your dogs on point but in reality training is way more important. If you need to confirm your dog is hunting and not laying down you got a problem there. It’s like anything, technology is just making up for our shortcomings . Growing up I never had an issue shooting deer with a bow, and I smelled like stale beer and cigarettes from all the old timers at camp playing cards all night. Now we think we need special clothes and sprays and electronics. Really we just need the ability to sit still, be quiet, read the sign and shoot straight. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Depends on how you plan to train and hunt your dog. I hunt with guys who go all over the country and their dogs range far. They all use e collars and trackers. Some use beeper collars. It notifies you when dogs on point then you follow the screen to your dog. The collars are essential to them guys and they run garmins. My vizsla and I pound the grouse and woodcock woods of the northeast. He doesn’t range much more than 30-40 yards. I need nothing more than a bell on his collar. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well they don’t go from chrome to dark overnight. Are you saying if there is any color to them at all they are no good? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

How’s the meat quality on staging fish? Does it go down hill as soon as they start changing color or once their in the river awhile? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’ve pretty much tried them all. I only run chamberlain’s now. First thing I do when I get a new one is run the brass knob in all the way then use the side of a file to etch a line on the back of the knob facing up. This is my release tension reference point. For kings and heavy baits run 1 turn out, stripers, lakers 1.5 turns out, walleye and browns 2 turns out. This has worked well for me. I also set the top release screw pretty tight. I like my rigger rods bent right over with lots of “pre load”. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Out of all those fish none had a live lamprey on them and only a few had marks. Goes to show you can’t believe everything you read. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks to all who replied with suggestions. Over the 4 days I was on Seneca I really only got to fish from 5:30am to about 8-9:00 am daily. Managed to boat 27 lakers in the 18”-25” range. The advice given by LOU members really cut down on my search time. My 4 year old boy had a blast reeling them in. When we were leaving he said dad, now that we’re done fishing can I come buck hunting? Mission accomplished! Gambler rigs and hammerhead cowbells of course did the majority of the work. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks guys I’ll give it a go. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hey all, I’ll be traveling up to Seneca this Wednesday through Saturday to hang with some family. I plan to fish mornings and maybe some evenings with my 4 and 6 year olds. Im trying to get them interested and stay interested in fishing. I’ve fished Cayuga a lot but not Seneca. Are there areas on the north end that are better for lakers this time of year? I’ll be out of Sampson. I just want to get them on as many fish as possible even if there small. Keeps them interested. I’ll bring the whole arsenal of spoons, ff,cowbells and gambler rigs. Any starting points would be helpful. If anyone else is around and wants to network I’m more than willing to share anything I figure out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If you used 40 lb power pro you could get 250 yds. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

46 yds. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk