thanks for all the reply's i caught 1 years ago off 9 mile in the spring went to check line snapped it off the rigger 3 cranks bam not big about 24 in i am going up end of may thats why i asked mostly looking for browns and steel head but a salmon would be sweet in the mix i have seen fishing shows on cable were they do good in the spring the show were farther and son slam them fishing 411