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yeah I think he could have turned out and given some room but at the same time I was untangling the net while by buddy was fighting the fish and we definatly did some zig zags that were not normal it happens when your going into the waves He only yelled once and I think it was to make sure I saw him i just know from his perspective i was deffinatly a dick

shorter leaders translate more action to the lure from the lead core so experiment with leanghts till you find what works best or your boat i personally get the most hits on my short cores when my leaders are 15 foot or less. small boat narrow beam so wave action and turns are not as exagerated to the lines so shorter leads to get the action lareger boats the rods are farther from center so they move more so longer leaders some times keep the action from being to drastic. but experiment I almost thru away my first lead core till I shortened the leader to 10 foot the first time now they are my favorite rigs

so left the house around 1:30 debated either north end or sampson all the way to the lake setteled on sampson. Had my buddy with me so we heade straight across just for somehting differentt as i've never fishesed the west shorline in the middle. got to about 450 fow and the dipsey fires and before i get to the rod the other one is out fish is gone and the two lines are all tangled up in the process of pulling them in the 50 rigger with an alpha alwye fires and we pull in a 7lb laker. get the the dispseys in and its just a mess so i cut a bunch of lines and pull out another set of leaders and re set thank god I keep a coupel tied. nothing on the west side. marked some bait surface temp was 66 but no fish. turned back across and about the middle had another rip on the 50 rigger same spoon nothing home. got all the way to the east side with no more action so i changed the dipsey to a differnt spin dr and with in 10 mins pulled another laer white nuc glow with a no seee um fly. would take 3 more fish on that with two other knock offs. the alpha alwye would go up 4 more times with no one home what the heck. Based on some advise from a previous post on the last pass across the launch i set out a seth green rig. I thought i saw it bounce 3 times but each time couldnt feel a fish on it. on the way in picking it up there were two small lakers hangin on it so a quasi double. undecided if i like the rig but it caught two small fish in 30 mins so it gets another chance all fish hit something with white in it today 120 was the best depth but a couple hits in no mans land over deep water. two of the lakers were under 15 inches there are the smallest i've gotten out of seneca the rest the average 4-7 pound range not a terrible day overall . sorry to the boat I got a little close to at a bad angle on the east shorre was fighting a fish and getting pinched by the depth at the same time. was trying to net and wasnt looking forward for a min.

i'll be out this afternoon evening either at sampson or out of roys unless we really get into them with my normal spread I will try rig fishing the more I think about handlining in those fish the more appealing it sounds. thanks for the advice so far guys I will definatly use it to set up this rig.

sk8man I re-read your post a couple times lots of good info to absorb thank you if I decide I like rig fishing and invest in wire for those rods can i get away with a twilli tip like i have on my dipsyes? or should I just go straight to roller tips? will probalby use the dacron to start as i hate to throw away good line but if i get into the technique will definatly upgrade to improve the performance especially through the summer

thanks for the advice I will set longer leads between lures for the blow back my thought was just to run lures on the rig all of similar color looking more for depth but would like to run another rod off the other side of the boat. I love handlineing pike through the ice so handlineing a trout on the boat has some appeal to me plus I always like to have other options. I have trouble making myself go slower than about 1.8 so its good to know they can work at higher speeds I hear you on the blow back I used to run a dacron dipsey till I was able to purchase some wire I will say fleas will saw off of dacron real easy but there is definatly drag plus I think the white line scares some fish away. Sounds like there is a lot more options than I originally thought so should be fun to play with. i also go my hands on some automatic reels with monel wire so I might set up a rig on one of those and do a pure hand line I just like the thought of a rod and real for stroage. i own no suttons but have a large variety of NKs on long term loan from my father so looking to use what I have first. my flt spoons and super slims have caught a lot of fish the last few years so it would be tough not to have them out running at higher speeds lets me keep them out on short cores which is my favorit presentation

so I was given a set of rods the other day by a faimly friend these are old shaksphere meat sticks that we used to snag with when it was leagl and later used to fish cod out of hampton beach. they have diawa GLS 47s on them from the 80s and they are spooled with dacron. I am thinking I can make a rig out of one not my normal type of fishing but always good to have some other options plus I love trying new things. I am going to add some 30lb to prevent fleas with a barrel swivel every 10 feet for 100 feet or so and than make up a bunch of 12lb fluro leaders. all my research I see talk of suttons and similar spoons at slow speeds. most of my box is made up of Finger lakes tackle spoons or old northern kings or some DW super slims most of those spoons run better faster. is a rig worth fishing at faster speeds say 1.8 up to 2.8 with those spoons? I really like keeping a mixed spread with a junk line or two for silver fish. or if I'm gonna try a rig should I just go all slow and if i want to run another rod put out a cowbell or a dodger on a thumper or some such? I'm just trying to cut the learning curve a bit so I have another option for days when i have a buddy or a kid with me and cant get my normal spread dialed in. especially seneca as i can usually catch something but have never had a 20 fish day. also anyone seeing fleas yet I'm going sat evening and want to know if i have to put in my top shot of 30lb on the rigger lines for the fleas

my motor is a pull start and not hooked up to a charging system I have a deep cycle that I hook the electric up to but I rarly use that any more can I run electrics off of that for a full day? would love to upgrade to some used electrics the manuals are rough on my sholder (chronic issues)

i like the dummy boards i'll take a set. i remember being anchored perch fishing once and one tried to run us over claming right of way. they got some dead perch thrown at them

i like when the yacht club has all the littlle kids in the small boats race in circles in the center of the genny right where the channel first narrows. I always feel like some parent is trying to get a couple of them run over and in general its just bad judgement to have that there especially on a busy weekend. I still refer to most of them as wind pricks and wind dicks but might have to give rag boat a try I think i have to much respect for jeeps (rag tops) though.

so i may need correcting on this but the boat being overtaken always has the right of way so when the wind prick is behind you and moving faster than you they do not have the right of way this I belive also applies to the genny where I often have larger boats up my A as im heading out to the lake most get it some dont and just about run me over I shouldnt be able to touch the boat passing me with my net especially when i'm in a 14 footer and there in a 30 plus anything than they toast you with a beer and wonder why your yelling

yeah me to with i had more time on the water but if i can make a regular out of her it will be worth it hoping for nice weather in two weeks.

So I got the chance to take my brother and niece out on the lake. She has never been in the boat before so i was hoping for a chance to get her into the sport. the weather was gorges but we didnt get out till 11. set everything up in the the top 30 feet because she told me on the way that all she wanted was a rainbow trout. got a hard smack on the rigger early no one home turned around and started marking some fish and my brother yells out theres one jumping took a sec for the rod to fire hand it to the nice and she pulls in a rainbow not huge but totally worth it. next thing we know we are surrounded by weeds and cotton wood and all 8 lines are craped up. in the process of clearing them she got a small salmon and we missed at least 2 hits. I broke my copper rod trying to clear cotton we finally got set up and the brother says okay we gotta turn in gotta have the kids back soon. so back to the dock we go probably worked out as we got swarmed by bugs and she was a little freaked. she wants to go again thats all i could ask for. so hopefully in two weeks we can make it a saturday and with more than a couple hours i can get her a couple fish. hope all did well in the canadaguia derby wife wouldnt let me do another full weekend so close to memorial day. Blue was the color that took the most hits.

back in the late eightys and early nintys when we fished the lake with my dad we never had any line heavier than 14lb on the riggers and we used no leader. breakoffs werent a problem. in flea season you need thicker line for the fleas but you can still leader down for better action on the spoons and with a smooth drag 12lb test is pretty tough to break grab a buddy have him hold the rod and you yank on the line trying to break it and leave the drag where you would if fishing if the line isnt frayd 12lb line is not gonna break without a mistake like thumbing a spool my biggest ever king (35lbs) came on 12lb test that had been on the reel for multiple seasons and had countless fish on it.