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  1. shaneo19


    What are you talking about? Did you read the article or know anything about this power plant? http://fingerlakes1.com/2018/11/02/greenidge-gets-green-light-as-well-as-controversial-5-year-extension/ . The fact that humans rely on energy really has nothing to do with this. Greenidge is not following the same regulations that other similar plants do in regards to filters to prevent killing fish and is discharging more warm water then it should since it does not have a closed loop system. Also dumping leachate from an ash landfill into the Keuka Outlet and then the lake. Hop is there anyway for you to change the title to perhaps draw more interest to the board? Maybe something like " Unchecked Environmental Regulations for Seneca Lake Power Plant, Greenidge". This seems like an important topic and if someone just sees "greenidge" they might not know what that is and not click on it. The sad part is I bet most people in the area including fisherman on the lake don't even know this plant exists.
  2. shaneo19


    Good news and very good article. I do wonder why streams in Seneca and Ontario county aren't being treated. Perhaps because they are different DEC regions or there are no significant spawning streams elsewhere.
  3. shaneo19

    Seneca Seneca lake

    The lake is definitely full of bullheads to the point of potentially being overpopulated. I said in another thread awhile ago that despite the issues on Seneca, there seem to be at least two species thriving. Sawbellies and Bullheads. Last spring we had the sawbelly kill and this year the bullheads. It is always concerning to see dead fish but it could just be nature trying to balance itself out. I wasn't aware that bullheads fought each other before spawning but that is interesting if true.
  4. shaneo19

    Seneca Seneca lake

    Fished around 36 hours and ended with 21 lake trout and one brown. Biggest around 6 pounds 75 percent of the time pulling copper and 25 percent casting along the shore. Its definitely a struggle compared to what it use to be. Use to always near or break the 100 fish mark. There does seem to be quite a few lake trout in 80 ft plus on the bottom. Problem though is the fish deep seem to be all small so didn't spend much time out there. The good news is that all the 12 to 13 inchers we caught last year seem to have made it to 15 inches. There definitely seems to be an imbalance between predator and prey. Likely cause to me seems like lamprey killed many of the predator fish and the sawbellies took off with has implications throughout the food chain.
  5. shaneo19

    Seneca 5/12

    Nice trip. Looking like Seneca is going to be better this year.
  6. shaneo19

    Seneca 4/21 and 22

    Thats a very nice looking laker. Looks like a natural born one too. How big do you think it was? Looks like over 10 lbs but always tough to judge by a picture.
  7. shaneo19

    Seneca Brown

    Nice. Been doing real well on browns the last few weeks from shore on Seneca. Nothing huge. All 2 to 5 pounds.
  8. shaneo19

    Just a tumor?

    Certainly not anything personal towards you FishingTheFL. I just think in most cases if the fish seems otherwise healthy it is probably better to let it go. Nature and evolution has a way to work these things out on its own. If a fish is not healthy and adapted to produce healthy offspring then it usually won't be able to. Species that aren't fit/adapted to survive simply don't make it especially in a competitive environment like a lake ecosystem. Like I stated earlier, Seneca Lake has a huge lamprey problem right now. If I took the DECs recommendation then I would be burying every trout I catch and I don't think that would be a good thing.
  9. shaneo19

    Rather disturbing info

    I read this article a few days ago. While I do have concern about heavy metal contamination in fish, this particular article provides no data to support its claims. I don't necessarily doubt the information in it, but they should have provided some actual details into what they have studied and found. I will look later to see if I can find any scientific papers that this group of people have produced...... I remember reading a few years ago that there was going to be medical tests done on a group of Asian immigrants from Syracuse that had regularly consumed fish they had caught from Onondaga Lake over a long amount of time. I thought this was a great idea because if there were no adverse effects from eating fish from there then there probably wouldn't be from anywhere. I however have done a few searches since and havent been able to find anything further about it.
  10. shaneo19

    Just a tumor?

    Any large fish from Seneca that has lesions is most likely caused by lampreys. Perhaps an open wound caused by a lamprey can get infected and cause a growth to start? I agree with not eating fish that you have any doubts about. I however don't think I agree with killing and throwing the fish away unless you didn't notice it until too late. If the fish has something wrong (especially just a lamprey lesion) there is likely no reason to think it couldn't produce normal offspring.
  11. I Really hope they get a decent turnout as this derby is a special weekend for a lot of people and it will be shame if it ever went away. I understand the frustration of the poor fishing especially for those bringing their kids. For me personally I don't care if there is only one trout left in the lake, I will be out there fishing just as hard. I know the topic of whats wrong with the fishing on Seneca has bean beat to death on here but I am becoming more and more convinced of whats going on with the trout/salmon. The lamprey population is getting out of control. Literally every trout I catch has one or more lampreys attached or fresh wounds. I am even seeing bullheads occasionally floating on top with lampreys still attached. I caught a skinny 3ft lake trout (maybe 12lbs) this past week that had 4 or so big wounds on it. While it was exciting to see a fish that old alive still it looked pretty weak and beat up. The consequence of fewer predatory trout is likely the cause of the alewife population increase which has consequences on other species in the lake. While the DEC should already be well aware of this issue I would encourage us to make it even more well known.
  12. shaneo19

    Seneca dead fish

    The huge alewife kill this spring was determined to be from protozoan Chilodonella https://senecalake.org/2017/07/fish-kill-reports/. It seems this can infect other species as well. It would be strange for it to only infect the alewives and not other fish. I am not sure the mechanism for which it spreads but if ingestion is one of them then obviously it is going to infect salmonid species in particular.
  13. shaneo19

    Seneca dead fish

    There were huge numbers of alewives along the shore this spring. Both day and night. I have also marked schools on my depth finder and dropped a camera down and they were there. Many probably don't realize that they are predators in their own right and will eat what they can. Maybe during certain times of the year they are difficult for trout to feed on and they seek other forage such as the shrimp. One hypothesis is that the lake trout are too full on them to hit our baits as much. Can't say I buy that but there does seem to be a correlation between what seems to be a boom in their numbers and the difficulty in catching lake trout. 5+ years ago when we would consistently catch 100+ lake trout during the derby the fish were much thinner. One year we placed third with a 9.78 pounder. I remember that fish measuring 32 inches. Very thin. I actually set the net down thinking it was a pike when I saw it. The few that you do catch now seem to be much fatter.
  14. shaneo19

    Seneca dead fish

    I have also had the experience of going out and seeing many more dead fish on the bottom then live ones and it is very sad. This is just in shallow areas where we can see. Who knows how many dead fish are laying on the bottom out deep where you can't see. I will say that I have not seen too many over the past couple months. I live on the west side mid lake area and fish just about every day. Everyone has their own hypothesis and none of us really know whats going on here. It could be something that no one has even considered. That being said I still will throw out some of my own thoughts and observations: As upsetting as the farm/ winery run-offs and sewage discharges are I don't think they are to blame for this issue. Although unhealthy for the overall water quality of the lake, adding nutrients would likely increase the biological production. It almost certainly is the culprit for Blue-Green algae blooms and slime that have happened on certain parts of the lake over the past couple summers . Seneca is not unique in having these particular issues. Owasco lake for example has become completely green from nutrient loading in the summer and overall fishing there is quite good. It is still obviously a problem that needs to be addressed on all of these lakes. As for the salt issue, I know Seneca was recently tested to have higher levels then the other Fingerlakes. This certainly needs to be tested more and seems like about the easiest thing to test. At a variety of depths and locations as well. This is something I need to study a bit more but I tend to think it is not the issue for the fishery decline. There are other famous fishing lakes that have a very high salinity. The first one that comes to mind is Devils Lake North Dakota. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devils_Lake_(North_Dakota) The lamprey concern I do think is very legitimate. I caught around 35 legal sized brown trout off the docks in my area last February-May. I would say at least 25 of these had one or more lampreys attached and the rest all at least marks. I also saw quite a few lamprey spawning up the Keuka Outlet this spring. Like someone else mentioned, there are some really big ones too. It would be nice if we could get some definitive answers on when they have and will treat the streams. There are two fish species which do seem to be thriving on this lake. Bullheads and Alewives. I don't care where I have been on the lake, when I look down I usually see bullheads. Especially in the spring. I often see schools of hundreds of them. Does anyone remember seeing these huge numbers in years past? In my opinion the most important food source in this lake is the scud/shrimp. I would think this has to be main food source for the huge bullhead population. I am not sure about the alewives. We know it is for the perch,sunfish and most juvenile fish species. I have also discovered that trout seem to depend on these as well. I was surprised to find out that many of the trout I have cleaned have been full of these tiny shrimp. Even some of the bigger trout have them in their stomach. If something like an increase in Bullhead/Alewife populations is causing a decline in these shrimp it could have an effect throughout the food chain. Could all be a non-issue but just an alternative thought to most of the ideas I have read on here. On a positive note, I still have caught a lot of fish over the past year. It can certainly be a challenge but at the right spot on the right day there are good fish to be caught. Last spring was very good for brown trout. All fish caught were 5 pounds or under however with one freak 17lber. Seems like there was a 1 year class that did particularly well. Bass fishing was decent this summer (even some really nice largemouth). There is no shortage of 5-10 inch smallmouth in this lake right now. If they survive then the next couple years look very promising. The perch fishing this fall has been really good for me and they have been of all different sizes. Found them in a different area and depth range then I ever would have thought. Lake trout fishing continues to not be what it use to. There did seem to be more smaller fish available this year then in 2016 so hopefully that is a good sign for upcoming years. I am on the lake a lot so I am willing to help with whatever I can to figure out and help whatever this issue is here.
  15. shaneo19

    Walleye in fingerlakes

    It would be my dream to have even a mediocre walleye fishery on Seneca Lake. Certainly you don't want to deplete the existing species though especially at a time when they seem vulnerable. As for the problems on Seneca right now with the lake trout, I don't think anyone knows for sure the issue. My number one suspect is the lamprey. Happened to see quite a few up the Keuka Outlet just last weekend. One thing we can rule out is the sawbelly/alewife population being the issue. They are overpopulated if anything which is probably why there have been quite a few dead ones floating around. They have been everywhere along the shoreline the past couple months particularly at night. As of right now there are plenty to feed as many walleye as could be put in but who knows how long that will last. Could probably even support a few kings :). One point to make on the Walleye possibilities in the Fingerlakes is that they are likely to be native while Browns and Rainbows certainly are not. Before the locks systems I would suspect Walleyes were quite common in Cayuga and Seneca Lakes with the Seneca River connection to Oneida and Lake O. Certainly not complaining about having the silver fish in the Fingerlakes though.