bluegiller

This is such a bad way to represent this fishery , not every person has the means to have a 30 foot plus boat and thousands of dollars in electronics. A long with down riggers , divers , lead core, copper, meat rigs. This was not made to be a rich guy sport. Don't get me wrong I love to catch salmon on the lake all year. I don't find them to be great table fair anytime. I keep a couple a year to eat, mosty ones I hurt so I can't release them.. it's only a sport to me, I would never eat one of the fall dark fish but I will never shame anyone if they want to. And just because you don't enjoy something why tell others they can't . I have caught 1000's of salmon. Every way posable , spring trolling , summer trolling , fall wall trolling , casting from the pier , drifting in the stream, trolling I'm the creek. Every way has it's own fun and skill. To me dragging a 400 copper or a 500 copper and catching a 15 pound salmon is horrible. Would much rather cast at the pier and fell one hit than ever drag a copper line to catch one...but I don't tell people not to drag a copper fish around at 3 mph and reel for 20 mins while it fights the line...so if guys want to fish for pier fish and enjoy it you should not belittle them. This just my opinion every angler that buys a nys fishing license should have a fair chance at catching the fish our DEC spends that money to stock. Not just the ones who book a charter or can afford the equipment to fish them in deep water. If anything the everyday angler should hate the charter fleet for only paying the same license fee and get the chance make a living off it. Now don't think I think that way because I don't but trust me some of the guys that can't afford that fishery sure hate that is the same price them as you. I get the whole picture charters bring huge dollars to the fishery , everyone that books has to stay, eat, drink, and pay for a fishing license. Those money's are a huge part of nys income. But also there is some huge dollars spent each year by shore and small boat fisherman. My entire point is this is a huge fishery with many people making money off it and many people enjoying it. If you take away one part the other will suffer .. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Well Vince as always you showed your class. You could have easily stooped to his level. But you just defended your self with facts and honest opinions based on what you have seen in your many hours on the water. And I remember when you started your charter business many many years ago and I have always been impressed with your attention to detail and how you always paid attention to every little thing, all to make you a better fisherman. I am sure you have taken note of alot more than most anglers so I like hearing your point of view on what's happening in the lake. Keep up the fight for all of us fellow fisherman Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I am with Vince back when I was in school I would always catch a salmon in the creek before I had to go back to school the day after labor day. And some times the water in the creek would be high 70's. I know know the water is clearer and that has some effect. But my point is water temp to mature salmon is not that important.. the want to spawn can make them go to water they are not comfortable in. There are a ton of factors that is making the salmon returns on the west end poor at best. I pointed them out and probably the smallest factor is water temps of the streams and rivers. The lake getting all messed up right at staging time I am sure is the biggest along with poor imprinting. But on a side note why are there not alot more salmon in the salmon river either? If all our fish went there they should be over run but looks like just a normal run? Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I been doing this a long time and the imprint issue is for sure real. But if the fish are living close to out western ports they return, well at least a fair amount of them. We sure had the fish all summer I am sure alot of our fish went to freezers that does not help. But the salmon river has fish so not got caught. One major problem we saw this year was the weather late . Just as the fish started to stage we had crazy winds hard east..all the water was cold inside , then hard west bam hot water inside to hot. Then east blow ice right back. And repeat it again. The 15 to 25 mph west winds blow for 2 days. After that one the matures were gone. Either we were catching Canada fish and ours were already gone our it was our fish and they booked east. No matter what the vanished. I don't think the imprint is strong enough to draw them back when those things happen . Plus the smaller streams had almost 0 flow at that time due to the dry late summer . All added to gether and you get what we have, a very poor return Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

It looks like the easiest quick fix might be to just turn over your receiver I can't tell for sure but it looks you have the receiver in with the curve going up take the ball off turn it over in over so it has drop not rise and put the ball back on that will help a bunch. I would still look in to moving the boat forward too. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I have towed a bunch of trailers and I can tell you right now your biggest problem is your tongue is light and your truck hitch is to high you can see the trailer is not making your truck squat at all and it should. I would do 2 things get a hitch that is lower and move the winch tower about 10 inches forward to start with . I would not tow it any more like that it looks dangerous. I have seen people crash because of trailers just like that. People don't understand how dangerous it is to tow a trailer that has bad weight balance and light tongue weight is the worst. It can actually pick the back of the truck up so much in on a curve that it pushed you off the road or in to on coming traffic. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I took it when I was 14 so I could boat by myself . But I have no idea where my card is now and I did the online search by my name and birthday and it says no record found. So I am thinking I have to take it again..since that was in 1984. I even remember where I took it. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

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I don't think so but I know people also use the plastic planer board release they still sell, I think they take the string off and drill a second hole to tread line through I saw it online some where. I looked last night but could not find it. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Found a pic of them Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

The best release was made by big Jon it was red and had a main part you threaded on your line that was like a horse shoe shape with a pin that also went on your line. The pin then was pushed in the main PC's ..you could yank your ass off from the rod end and the ball stayed..but when a fish pulled the lure the pin came out and the ball fell off.. we used then all the time ..it was what you did as a junk rod before the copper craze.. I still have some and when fish are deep I pull it out ..you can get down easy 100 foot with only like 250 foot of line out ..we used to save money by gather old rail road spikes from where they took out the old tracks. . Those worked great and were free.. it also was the first way I ran big flashers and meat heads back then ...we did not have spin doctors it was dodgers and squid..the first flashers I used were the 11 inch paddles and the old clear meat heads you had to bend to get to run. And we basically only ran it on dropper rods Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Still available..if anyone wants them with out the swivel bases we can work out a price with out them. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Let me see what shipping is . And I will let you know Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

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James I sent you a pm also but not willing to go that low Thanks Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Nice pair of uni troll down riggers for sale comes with standard rear mounted rod holder, 2 swivel based and mounting blocks. Both are the older well built style. I kept them off my old boat thinking some day I would need them. They have not seen the water in over 8 years. Located near Oak Orchard - Albion area . Willing to meet any where close. $225 for the pair of riggers and bases Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Might be Slump Buster's ? Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app