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  1. ^^^ eriebuck, thanks again for selling me the items I paid for here on the classifieds which you said you shipped just to refund my $ and renig on the deal.

    Bty if you read Yankees previous posts he has graciously written for us so we can have the success he's having- that he normally runs the coho stuff off boards on fishusa stealth leadcore up higher. Almost like what you were going to sell me.

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    I PM’d you earlier that I can ship them now and ready to sell. Sorry, I was trying to figure out my spread and had some second thoughts based on new info I had learned and experience with new reels I had ordered which is why I promptly refunded you. Sorry you are mad and not empathetic. If you want them still — they are yours, if not — no problemo. Tight lines!




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  2.  
    Been a great couple of weeks tourney fishing the West end mainly with a Coho/Steelhead program. We won the Niagara Pro Am, and had a great comeback this Sunday to sneak into the top 10 at the Orleans County Open. These baits were our rocks. We fished these on our Cannon Optimum downriggers in the top 60', wire divers on 3 settings from 35-60' out, and on FishUSA Stealthcore from 2-10 colors. Fishing ain't easy right now, but the Coho and Steelhead on the West end are plentiful at times.
     
    I heard a quote today from a buddy who fished with us this weekend. He quoted who he thinks is Michael Jordan. "You never lose. You just learn!" Tournament fishing is just that. The days your the bug are the days you pick something up and put it in your bag of tricks. I did that this weekend! When you're the windshield your don't take much away from it. But it's a good time, and a lot of fun!
     
    Niagara Pro Am:
    We put about 42 miles on the boat in practice and had a good pick most of the day on Coho and Steelhead. We ended up working the coldest surface water we found, and that had the best class of fish.
     
    Friday, we fished 50-51* water in 370-400'. Only 1 king bite all day. We boxed by 12:15. Took us 20 bites to box our 12 with short fish and dropped fish.
     
    Saturday, we were surprised to find that cold surface water still there with the wind that was blowing. Again, we finished our box by 12:15. On this day it took us 24 bites to get our box. We only had one short fish. We dropped a lot! We got very lucky and had 4 king bites.
     
    Orleans County Open:
    Saturday, we made some bad decisions and just kept pushing to find better water, or "the juice" as they say in Bass fishing. We put 52 miles on the ol' girl by the time we hit the pier heads at 2pm. We saw 70' of water, and we saw the Canadian shoreline. There were signs but we ignored them going for the gusto.
     
    Sunday, we settled in and had our 10 fish by 9am. We spent the rest of the day looking for matures. 7/8 rods loaded with Familiar Bite Pacific Herring and a Team Dreamweaver Rod Father mag generated 5 mature bites. We landed 1! Cracked off two rigs, and dropped the other two. We could have had the monster box but in the end it was a great time, with great friends, and we learned something.
     
    Ok, I'll end with this. Keep an eye on FishUSA's website. The Rod Father, a color we ran a lot in the past on Warrior blanks, will be a custom DW at FishUSA. The Coho and Steelhead LOVED the SS and DW the last two weeks, and the Kings chewed that mag all spring. The DW 6" spin doctors can all be found there as well. The flies were A-Tom-Mik Mfg. Coho flies in green/blue, green Crinkle, and hammer.
     
    Coho Spin Doctors
     
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    Awesome work in the tourney!! Where in your spread did you run your 6 inch orange spinnies? How do you balance not giving up kings but yet still putting fish in the boat??


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  3.  
    Been a great couple of weeks tourney fishing the West end mainly with a Coho/Steelhead program. We won the Niagara Pro Am, and had a great comeback this Sunday to sneak into the top 10 at the Orleans County Open. These baits were our rocks. We fished these on our Cannon Optimum downriggers in the top 60', wire divers on 3 settings from 35-60' out, and on FishUSA Stealthcore from 2-10 colors. Fishing ain't easy right now, but the Coho and Steelhead on the West end are plentiful at times.
     
    I heard a quote today from a buddy who fished with us this weekend. He quoted who he thinks is Michael Jordan. "You never lose. You just learn!" Tournament fishing is just that. The days your the bug are the days you pick something up and put it in your bag of tricks. I did that this weekend! When you're the windshield your don't take much away from it. But it's a good time, and a lot of fun!
     
    Niagara Pro Am:
    We put about 42 miles on the boat in practice and had a good pick most of the day on Coho and Steelhead. We ended up working the coldest surface water we found, and that had the best class of fish.
     
    Friday, we fished 50-51* water in 370-400'. Only 1 king bite all day. We boxed by 12:15. Took us 20 bites to box our 12 with short fish and dropped fish.
     
    Saturday, we were surprised to find that cold surface water still there with the wind that was blowing. Again, we finished our box by 12:15. On this day it took us 24 bites to get our box. We only had one short fish. We dropped a lot! We got very lucky and had 4 king bites.
     
    Orleans County Open:
    Saturday, we made some bad decisions and just kept pushing to find better water, or "the juice" as they say in Bass fishing. We put 52 miles on the ol' girl by the time we hit the pier heads at 2pm. We saw 70' of water, and we saw the Canadian shoreline. There were signs but we ignored them going for the gusto.
     
    Sunday, we settled in and had our 10 fish by 9am. We spent the rest of the day looking for matures. 7/8 rods loaded with Familiar Bite Pacific Herring and a Team Dreamweaver Rod Father mag generated 5 mature bites. We landed 1! Cracked off two rigs, and dropped the other two. We could have had the monster box but in the end it was a great time, with great friends, and we learned something.
     
    Ok, I'll end with this. Keep an eye on FishUSA's website. The Rod Father, a color we ran a lot in the past on Warrior blanks, will be a custom DW at FishUSA. The Coho and Steelhead LOVED the SS and DW the last two weeks, and the Kings chewed that mag all spring. The DW 6" spin doctors can all be found there as well. The flies were A-Tom-Mik Mfg. Coho flies in green/blue, green Crinkle, and hammer.
     
    Coho Spin Doctors
     
    1083131394_PXL_20210613_213354477_MP2.thumb.jpeg.3538fdaba3c3c9f5ce6a42141ae8f6c9.jpeg
     
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    Awesome work in the tourney!! Where in your spread did you run your 6 inch orange spinnies? How do you balance not giving up kings but yet still putting fish in the boat??


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  4. Thanks guys, “B” is how I’ve been running them but I recently ordered some Rapture fixed coho flies and they were set up at “A” in the package. And then i was watching the tangled tackle guy out of Michigan on YouTube and thought I heard him touting “A” for King flies so I was thinking I better check to make sure I wasn’t screwing it up. Certainly have caught lots of fish with “B” but as fisherman we are always wondering… could I have caught more??


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  5. 3 minutes ago, TyeeTanic said:

    I'm more concerned about having the wire clipped at a certain point, and then you get bending back and forth due to wave action. Kind of like taking a wire in your hand and bending it back and forth, eventually it will snap.

    I see what you mean -- maybe, but it seems soft and malleable like braid, not rigid like 7 strand.  I'm not a fanboy yet of the stuff -- just experimenting.  We'll see... 

  6. I've done it on two trips so far and haven't had a problem at all with the scotty clips and 19 strand.  Time will tell but I don't think the scotty clips will cause much wear as they are smooth plastic and the 19 strand is slick like braid.  I know people use a bunch of different clips out there so experience will vary.... could always half hitch a rubber band if need be.  I had big waves yesterday and just had to put the line a little deeper in the clip.  with braid or mono i like to create a loop to clip to by twisting the line about 5 times (like you do for black's downrigger releases).  Obviously you can't do that with 19 strand but it still works well just clipping it.   As I said in a post above, you just have to be careful to keep clicker on or keep thumb on a free spool or you're screwed.  

     

    While thickness of the 19 strand is similar to 50lb braid -- it does weigh a little more so you get a big more of a sag in your lines going out to the planer boards which can dip in the water.  Even with all the bouncing around in the waves, the scotty clips help up well -- no false releases.  

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  7. I think I’m going to run 1 300 copper line off the big boards on each side, a wire diver on each side and 2 rigger rods one with a slider.

    If I have enough help on the boat, maybe add another pair of wire divers but, the more I think about it, 6 is enough!

    For late July trip, im thinking my initial setup will be:

    Rigger 1: 11” pro troll paddle with atomik Twinkie meat rig

    Rigger 2: moonshine mag spoon with smaller spoon on a slider above

    Wire Diver 1: 8 inch spin doctor with fly

    Wire Diver 2: 8 inch spin doctor or 8 inch protroll with meat head

    300’copper 1: mag spoon

    300 copper 2: 8 inch flasher with meat head

    Do you guys prefer to run the meat heads naked behind the flasher on wire/copper or the setup with twinkie flies in front


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  8. I used the 19 strand backer for 1 season. It's not all it's cracked up to be. First, it absolutely doesn't have the same sink rate as an equal length weighted steel. Meaning 200 ft of steel and 200ft of 19 strand does not equal a 400 weighted steel. I had the same plans as you, 1 rod for every application but the truth is it doesn't work. Also after some testing in shallower water (under 100ft) I know that weighted steel does not have the same sink rate as copper. I do think the steel is more user friendly. I'm still using it this season. Another issue with the 19 strand backer is if it tangles with anything the wire is junk. The first trip out we had a fish cross the steel rod before we could get it in and there went $45 worth of wire. If you were fishing for smaller fish or walleye you could just cut out the bad spot but with salmon you need to have the full 1000ft or you'll end up spooled. I took the 1 reel I had with the 19 strand and removed the wire. I went back to braid backer and will try running a torpedo diver and see if I can get it down to the 60ft range. I'll use my 400 steel the same way. Hopefully I'll get the results I'm looking for or I'll be going back to the copper.

    I’m going to test a 200 weighted steel with 100/200 19 strand backing with the fish hawk TD probe, Today. Will see what depths I get at 200/300/400. Will report back results.

    It’s one thing losing a little leadcore but yes that would totally suck to lose a copper setup. After a backlash nest, the 19 strand got caught in between the spool and reel casing. Dead soldier.
  9. I’ve done a couple walleye trips with the 19 strand as backing on a 3 color… mixed results… first trip I slammed some extra fish because I was easily able to let out more line ( I have enough 19 strand backing to make it a 10 color equivalent) and get deeper on my planer board lines. Second trip, big waves and I got cocky and let the clicker off while trying to speed up the process of sending down the planer board line and just like a wire diver, you’re screwed when that line nests up… frustrating.


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  10. You can, but often times the riggers and wire divers work better ... so guys are focusing on those setups.  The ACTUAL strategy is to create a pattern that draws the fish into the riggers (due to ball turbulence), if they don't take the rigger lines, they drop back and have a look at the diver lines, if they don't take that, they have a look at the copper lines further back (and stealthier).
     
    For walleye what depth are you normally targeting? I think guys get worried when they have 300 ft and 400 ft copper lines out on the boards ... we already see enough tangles (one is more than enough) with just two lines out, especially when a king takes it, and sweeps across from port to starboard (or vice versa). Can create one big mess really fast.

    What kind of program do you run on your riggers to draw them in? One attractor, one spoon? Two attractors? Mid/late summer last year I had some success with 11inch paddles w/ Twinkie meat rigs on both riggers but wasn’t running boards, just wire divers. Hoping to
    get bit a little more by incorporating some copper on the outside this year so i like that strategy of drawing them in.

    I hate fishing for walleye but it’s something to do mid summer and they are good eating! Later in summer they can be down 50 or more, but usually suspended in the middle water column 25-40, so short 3 cores with deep diving plugs usually do the trick.

    Late Summer steelhead fishing temps are usually down 50-75. Sometimes will get deep on long lines for Lakers, but usually target with riggers/divers


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  11. 1 hour ago, TyeeTanic said:

    I assume you've run an 8 rod spread before?

     

    It's one thing having the equipment, and another having the experience to deploy and retrieve and not end up spending half your day untangling lines.

     

    Assuming you have done this before ... for sure 2 downriggers, probably a cheater on one of them (to target steelhead), 4 dipseys wire divers, and 2 off the boards one on each side of the boat (depending on where the 42F to 48F depth is, it'll be either leadcore for shallower depths, and copper for deeper).

     

    If you haven't done 8 before, I'd probably cut 2 wire dipseys from the stage.

    I've done it before with big boards for walleye/steelhead/lake trout on lake erie many times but not for kings... have only used 4-6 rod setups without boards on Lake O in my previous trips.   Why does it seem like many only run one line off the boards?  Usually if I go through hassle of setting up the big boards, I want to run more than one line.  I was thinking 4 of the 8 rods in my setup would be on boards and out of the way, 2 wire divers, 2 downrigger rods.  

  12. yep, I fished the bar area the last weekend of the derby and had a tough time with the flat lake and boat traffic.  It wasn't until we got out of the traffic that we started to hook up and got 2 20lb kings in 250 fow north of the bar.  People with boards and long lines were putting more fish in the boat even if they were cohos and chrome at least it was more action.  That's why when I go back I'm going to have a wider/stealthier spread.  We ran high/low dispey on each side with riggers off the corner.  

  13. We made our first trip this spring and ran 8 rods. Next time I go back I will have some copper rigs. I think I would run a rigger off each side with a slider 2 dipsys off each side then a copper or lead core off a board off each. That should target pretty much h all depths.

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    That’s kinda what I was thinking but I’ve heard a lot of pros talk about coordinating your spread so that all the lines play well off each other… so I’m trying to figure out specifically what that would look like.

    I guess the big thing is to make sure the action is working properly on all your lines given your speed. Meat paddles need to go slow 2.0ish but that makes most spoons not work too well at that slow speed. So if I go big paddles with meat on the riggers, maybe pair those with flasher flies on the wire divers and run forgiving spoons like super slims on the long lines. 2 rods on boards with 200/300 copper and 2 with 7 color lead? Would I put one of each on each side or pair them up?



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  14. I only make it to Lake O a couple times of year and I really want to refine my approach to maximize my experience... I've been studying up and accumulating more gear but I need to come up with a solid plan for my next trip in late July.  

     

    Obviously I want to catch Kings, but I don't want to put all my eggs in one basket.  So, my overall goal would be to catch Kings but get more overall action by using some setups to target Steelhead/Coho as well, especially considering the King numbers have been down this year so far.  

     

    So that being said, with an 8 rod spread, what would you guys choose to run for an effective program?

     

    I have all the gear... big boards, down riggers, wire divers, slide divers, 200/300 copper, big paddles/meat rigs, etc.   

     

    Thanks in advance for your suggestions!  

  15. If you want a great walleye trolling rod go with the Denali 8'6" leadcore rod.  They also have a braid/mono trolling rod and a 12' leadcore rod. There is nothing that compares to this rod in forgiveness and landing walleye. These rods easily handle big fish as well.  I tested the 12' rod tiger musky trolling on rod rod length setbacks at near 3 gps speed and it performed very well on a 45" tiger!   Paired with a tekota and I don't think you can do any better... I have 2 dozen and wouldn't consider using anything else!  If someone wants to demo them contact me.

    How does the telescopic feature work on the Denali? Any issues with storage/transport?

    Early and late season lake trout, steelhead and smallmouth make a more expensive rod worth it for me. I caught 2, 7lb walleye this week and neither was able to pull off the Scotty planer board clip. 4lb sheephead, no problem!
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