ERABBIT

Jason I did my 1988 starcraft center cosole 20.5' a few years ago. I was told as long as I sealed the plywood extremly well I could use regular plywood. If I did it over I'd use marine grade or aluminum. I used SS screws to hold the plywood down. Taking the floor up was a BIG pain. The way mine was put togather they put the floor down will holes drilled for the foam then fill it with foam that stuck to the wood as you were taking it up. The too bigest problems I had was the spar varnish and the glue. I didn't have a good heat soure in the barn so I had to pick my days and this drug out the whole deal. Also when you have the floor up think about any thing else you may want to do. I put in a new fish/dephth finder and a Moor subtroll 900 also some extra wires and steering cable. I knew I had some issues with the shifter but with so much to do just forgot. It came back to get me a year ago. The good thing was I put the floor down with the idea I could take up a section and replace it. So I just remove enough to do the job and put it back down. I wrapped the carpet over the edges of the ply wood to help protect them from water getting into the wood. When I was doing mine I also cut the floor a little short in the back on each side so water would not lay inside and rot the transom, I had a bad spot I noticed. I had to drill out the old pop rivets and put one hole in the bottom, I had thought about dropping the drill bit in the chuck deep and then addind some tape so I could only go so deep. Think about this step I did find the hole till next spring on the water. On my boat the only way to get to the bilge area was a pain so when I did the floor I put a section in the back that I could "pop" out to get at it easier,it better but I wish I made that some what bigger. I have a lot of picture of the it if you want I could send them or post them up.

Any color you want Ray K as long as K-Mart has a one in a spray can we'll do it up for ya......

Pennfish I thinks a long shaft it was on a 16' Lund boat and the one he's getting to replace it is a long shaft.

He told me he want $250.00 firm for it.

My buddy has this for sale. I have a 25 hp Evinrude, 1997, 3 cylinder, tiller steering, electric start for sale. The power head is shot but the lower unit is good, along with the starter, carbs and electronics for ignition. Good for parts. Make me an offer!

I just got a chance to post up the picture I took of you Ray two days after I gave you that chili..............

Ray it was nice meeting you and your crew ( poor guys how do they do it). You left just in time the DEC and Sheriff showed up checking boats. The DEC was looking for some type of illegal gaseous fish attractant being used. Then the Sheriff was looking for guys mooning other boats what was that all about. I ran into about 6 boats out there that thought they had a RED light on each side of there boat and my were color blind when they looked at my boat only seeing green....... We picked up a total of 11 with the break down being 1steelhead 2 Coho's and 8 kings lost 4 from my bad knots and one major from bad/to much drag . Ran all meat rigs with twinkie-rigs white glow with white head had the most hits green glow with green head was next and was run deepest. 50' , 60' down was good early then running one at 80' or so the rest of the day would pick some up. All of our fish were east of the plant in 85 to 105 FOW. Peole were and are picking them up in 55' to 80' range using fly's but my meat rigs would not trip these fish.

I'll be coming up to Catfishcreek Camp on the 22nd staying till the 28th staying in trailer #7 at Walley's. We will not be in the LOC. Just call for ERABBIT or Stanley Steamer!!!

I'm back in Pa. now and the boys are home with Mom and Dad. They had a good day on the water but both were ready to pack it in. We had lines in the water at 8:00am landed 6 fish by 9:30 am one 19" rainbow that showed Andy how a REEL rainbow jumps.......then pulled up and ran north some what out of the wind for some jigging no luck on the jigging then one quit (Andy) jigging and 15 minute later Patrick quit. I said you guys had enough for this year and both said yes. So at 10:45 am were heading in..........

It was in a above post but today the BTI (Big Ten Inch) was dead here is the pic. http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... thuncl.jpg? Here is the web page to buy them but just a heads up these were made to use off diver rods with two fly rigs with a bait head for salmon. But no one told the lakers in Seneca that yet !!!!!!! http://www.michiganangler.com/ goin hungry I posted a lot of info here look back thru and see if you can find it there. I have no idea what you set up looks like or what your using. If you give us some more info maybe someone here could help you get your finger on it.

Seneca 8-1-2007 I slept in till 7:30 am and the boys got up a little while after me but I just could not get going for a while. We went across lake and ran down just below Sharky Point and set up and trolled north with three lines in the water at 9:00 am. Fished till 11:00 am when it got to hot out for the boys , even thou we put 5 fish to the boat in the last half hour. We went 9 for 10 --- 20,15,15,25,21,24,13,20,16 we kept the 24,25 and a 20 for lunch. All fish came on the deep rigger down 80' when I dropped the BTI with in 5' of the deep one they shut down till I brought it back up a 30 minute later. Saw a fellow Pa.er in the Severn area drift fishing just so you know if you read this you pulled up your third line to late. Turning your back to me and keeping the rod tip low while you reeled it in would NOT have worked if I was DEC but you gave me a good laugh. I had the fish iced down good so we went in and the boys jumped in the lake for a while. The Boys with lunch:

Here how the boys did today : Seneca 7-31-2007 Late start today boys were a little slow getting up but that's ok the way things went. Hoot came down for the ride and watch the fun. We had the three riggers in the water at 8:30 ish and pulled all lines before 12:30. We went 13 for 18 lakers from 11" to 23" and one rainbow all trolling. It was just a little too windy for jigging in my boat so we went with a trolling set up. Picking most fish up at 80' a few at 75' and the rainbow and I think a small salmon that got off at 30'. Dodger peanut deep at 80' frog BTI at 75' and a bare spoon (my now rainbow spoon) at 30'. Lots of weeds around the shoals and point kind of clear other wise. No fleas to speak of but the surface temp was up to 75.5*. Just wondering if this next warm spell will set them off again or dormant till next years first warm spell..... Andys first Rainbow 22.5" 2# 10 0z. http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... ithu-3.jpg? The boys and Hoot at the helm... http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... ithu-4.jpg? The days catch http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... ithu-5.jpg?

We went back out for a while in the evening and Patrick picked up a 27" that went 5# 8oz. He thought he had the one to beat his brothers hog. On a jig it was a little tougher for them wind was up more than in the morning.

Seneca 7-30-2007 The boys were up and ready today so we were on the water at 7:15 am the new solenoid on the starter worked great. It's better now then when I bought this boat in 1999. That solenoid must have been going bad way back then. Any way with the lake flat I set the boys up to do some jigging that I NOT good at but give it a try none and then. Andy picked up two one at 21" and 20.5" and Patrick picked up two one at 16" and a sawbelly I got zip!!! Not bad for two guys that never used a baitcaster before only had about 4 backlashes each but by the time we were ready to quit they had them down so they could get them out themselves. The boys had quite a few missed hook ups with Andy having the most. He worked his jig retrieve down so I heard a lot of OH darn when he missed one. No chasers on the screen the few hits I had were on the bottom coming up short and ripping the tail off my jig. Patrick's were the same as mine all on the bottom. Andy would just jig a few times on bottom then would work up some jig few times and do the same thing.

Seneca 7-29-2007 At 8:00 am + both boys were still sleeping and I had every thing ready to go so I gave them a wake up call. I think maybe this had them a little wore out: http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... eEd004.jpg? http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... eEd005.jpg? No way could it have been the trip to the icecream store...... They both got up and were ready to go in a matter of minutes. We got down to the launch and got boat off trailer and I got in to start motor.........no go would not turn over. Checked a few things out still nothing got the power pack out of truck and that didn't do any good. I started up the kicker and told them we could fish close to Lodi and that would be it, so we gave it a shot. Just got out front and putting first line in the water and a boat just checking things out comes in right on top of us , ( some jigger looking for marks...LOL). So I took over steering till we got some distance from him and then put the rest down. Ran north into the wind surface was 72.5* with fleas showing up at the knots. Andy was up and the rod fire hooked him up and he was into a good one. No help from big brother today and he landed a 29.5" 8# 12oz laker. That smile says it all. We fished the area just north of the point for awhile picking up one more at 17" that Patrick landed. Played with starter switch and big motor started up so we called it a day so I could run in using that instead of the kicker. Now I hope to figure out this switch problem that I had fixed before... :roll: Andy with his HOG..... http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... thuncl.jpg? Brothers make up.....LOL.... http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... ithu-1.jpg?

Well it's been 12 days since I've been out, the fleas have died off and must be too cold right now for a "new" hatch. Surface temp. was just below 70* down temp would relate to a point or shoal with it being warm on the south side at say 50' then cooling down slowly on the north side. Started about 2 miles south of Serven Point at 9:00 am with my two great nephews picked up one small 15" from 9 till just after 11am then they hooked up with 5 more and two that got off before the could feel them on the end of the line. Boated a total of 4 15",17.5,18" and 23" we boxed the 23". That was Patrick fish and Andy lost a slob at the back of the boat. After that he got a headache and we didn't stay out much longer it was HOT. Patrick with a 23" laker. http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... eEd002.jpg? Andy with a headache after losing a big one. http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... eEd003.jpg?

Mine has a . (dot) where the speed read out would be if the . (dot) is there you have power. No . no power. Also check where the antenna from the rigger hooks to the long lead to the unit.

I got a few cases a year ago and still have lots left for this year. If you check that site you'll see a few places already sell it on Lake Ontario.

http://fishonbait.com/GreatLakes.html

That is just hear say you may just e-mail them yourself and get a name of the DEC who said it to you. Better safe than sorry. Fish-On Bait has a page you can print out if you are using that cut bait I'll take a look and post it up.

Intersting two ways for a fixed cheater, I was showed a thrid way. Doing like said above I half hitch the rubber band to the downrigger cable loop the main line about 4 twist hook the cheater thru the loop in the main line and the loop in the rubber band and close the snap. Rubber band will break if fish is big enough..........

Seneca 7-12-2007 - Lodi Point Hoot and I gave it a go today got down to the launch just before 7:00am ran across lake. I was getting down riggers ready and when I was hooking up the one for the probe the snap broke. Now that was a lucky break could have lost the ball + the $160.00 probe. Fiddled around putting a Klincher (made by TRU TRAC) so I could use the down rigger anyway with out the Moor 900. Well now that's not a good idea the coated cable for the Moor to work slides right thru so I set up with just two riggers and two divers. Fleas were bad sticking to my 30# above the showboat area. Below that area they were just sticking at the knots no large build ups like the area above. We went 8 for 12 the one we boated were all lakers from 13" to 21" nothing big. One laker had a deformed back and it was not a fin clipped fish. http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... 1184281297 http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z289 ... 1184281463

Every time I look at replacing my 1988 starcraft 20.5' center console the things the new boat has look good but mine has storage room and LOTS of it. I can have 8 rods 4 down each side ready too go just by removing a pungy cord that holds them in place for the ride out. It also has two compartments in the back on each side with a door so its out of the weather. Right in the center in the back is a set up deal for the next lure or rig to go down or the ones that didn't work. Plus a hold in the front and more storage space under the seat for the center console. Yep lots of space some times TOO much so I can't find a thing.......

I also fish Seneca all the time and have followed the VHS news. The way I read it the # of dead fish I see dayly is just normal die off. If I run across 100+ fish in a outing that's when I'll call and pick up one of the dead ones.

Went down to the launch around 8:30am Hoot,the park guy and a few others were around Hoot's dingy BSing. I got mine ready and lined her up to launch and asked Hoot you going out in your 12'er or with me ? "YOU" he said a little lumpy for mine......LOL......went across south of Severne State launch and set up by 9:00am. Worked the deeper water I fished yesterday and only picked up one 15.25" laker with no bait and few marks. So I started working out some with out any better results. Worked slowly back in bringing up spread as I came in. I got into 65' with out much luck so I pulled to two deepest riggers and set up for less then 50' going to a all spoon program. We found bait in 45' had a good rip on the three color lead core (while I was changing out the spread)lost the fish and it hit it again and lost it again. (found the drag stuck as it will with these darn Okuma Magna Pro if you don't check them ALL the time when setting up may be why the hook pulled out) I finally got the 4 rod spread out and we worked the area north about a mile below Long Point. Turned and worked back thru picking up one dink 15" at 40' down on a spoon. The inline boards were diving every now and then going back into the waves so I set up all the riggers and one core. Still not much action so we made one short pass back up. Outside rigger acting funny so Hoot checked it and was messed up with another line. I checked the other line and it had a fish on it and the third down rigger line. Nice 24.5" 5#5oz laker. That was it for the day felt good to pick a few up in less 50' of water. Not sure of the names of the spoons but the one that took the 24.5 was Superman (thanks for the tip Ray)