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  1. Seneca dead fish

    The water quality data on Keuka Lake from both Keuka College and DEC indicates that the amount of nutrients in the lake is about as low as it gets. I think that is why the lake is less productive and you may not see as many fish in general. I guess all I'm trying to say is we are just trying to blame one activity or another when it could just be natural population trends. I can find species that are doing well in every lake. Perch fishing on Keuka has been great and pike fishing on Seneca is improving. Five years from now those species could be down and the trout might be bouncing back. When you look at the watersheds for all the Finger Lakes there are things that I hate to see that aren't good for the lake but there are probably just as many or more improvements that I have seen over the last 40 years. Anyway, I'm all for anything that can be done to protect our watersheds but I feel like there is some overreaction right now.
  2. Seneca dead fish

    Glad you said that. I thought I was losing it because every time I fished this year the water in Seneca was as green as I've seen it since the 80's. I think all that algae growth is fueling the bait population.
  3. Seneca dead fish

    Ok so everyone says fishing is great on Cayuga and Seneca is terrible. No argument there but at the same time I keep hearing that Seneca is gin clear and Cayuga has color to the water. All that color comes from the nutrients and all the issues that were mentioned in the Hobart College video from an earlier post. So if the farms and wineries are so terrible then why is Seneca clear? And if it is so terrible to have turbid and colored water then why is fishing on Cayuga so good? I've been a diary keeper for a long time and if you look at the trends over the years there are a few things that lead to tough fishing - lamprey issues and plentiful bait. Right now we have both in Seneca. I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned about the farms and the wineries but those things were all there 5 or so years ago when fishing was great in Seneca and not so good in Cayuga. They got the lamprey under control in Cayuga and fishing turned good. I bet if DEC gets the lamprey under control in Seneca the same thing will happen.
  4. Seneca dead fish

    http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/73518.html http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/27875.html One for Region 7 and one for Region 8
  5. Drone season opens on Keuka Lake

    You are right that is a popular area. That is very close to where I caught my first lake trout on Keuka Lake.
  6. What a great report. Glad to see it. As for the south end - we did well in lakers this morning in 100 ft pulling copper. Not much to report for rainbows or browns. Our methods wouldn't have caught any
  7. I agree with all that but the areas you are describing are a small percentage of the lake. Maybe that will be enough to support a fishery
  8. I don't know of many lakes like Skaneateles that have good walleye fishing over the long term. I hope I'm wrong. We will see...
  9. Conesus walleye spawn in conesus inlet but that doesn't mean it amounts to anything. The alewife are very efficient at eating tiny walleye fry. Adult walleye eat alewives but they do not reduce the population for very long. This was shown by Cornell studies on Cayuta Lake. I see some of you are excited about walleye in skaneateles but I can't see it amounting to much. Skaneateles is the least productive finger lake so it isn't suddenly going to support a large walleye population for very long
  10. Walleye in fingerlakes

    Yep I'm sure lake trout have an effect on baitfish. Just look at Keuka. But if you think walleye are going to coexist just look at Hemlock. The lake trout numbers weren't that high and the lake was loaded with bait. Local club stocked walleye and a few years later every lake trout I caught was in bad shape and browns and rainbows were almost nonexistent. That would not be so bad if there were lots of walleye to catch but that didn't happen. The walleye stocking led to a few anglers catching an occasional walleye. That was my point about Cayuta. I wasn't comparing it to the deeper Finger Lakes I was just saying that Cayuta was loaded with walleye a few years back but very few people caught any. That is what happens in lakes where walleye are eating alewife (Conesus). Walleye stocking in these places just seems like a waste of time and money. The big Finger Lakes are as clear as they have been in years. Clear water is not exactly ideal for walleye.
  11. Walleye in fingerlakes

    Not enough food in some of these lakes to support trout so I don't think stocking walleye makes sense. You could stock every walleye the state has into Seneca and it would not make good fishing. Just look at Cayuta.
  12. Gobies

    Gobies can get to Seneca through canal they just haven't yet. The locks at Seneca falls aren't easy for a fish to get through but it will happen eventually. Id be surprised if gobies are in owasco. As said before they look just like a native sculpin. Flesh color means nothing. the clipped and unclipped (stocked and wild) lakers I've kept show no consistent pattern of flesh color. Sometimes stocked ones are bright orange and wilds are white and vice versa. Maybe it has something to do with diet but like Sk8man said orange flesh has been around well before gobies.
  13. Seneca lamprey

    I'll sell you some deet. Or you can as much as you want from Walmart. I saw keuka outlet get lampricide about 10 years ago. Not sure if it has been treated since then though.
  14. Meeting at hatchery

    Why do we need to protect certain areas of the salmon river for spawning fish when there is a huge amount of natural reproduction happening under the current regulations. These things are affected more by flow, temperature, etc. not anglers
  15. Cayuga 7/17/16

    The stockers I've seen put in are around 8 or 9 inches but I'm guessing you are not for off. Probably 3 or 4 when they hit 18 inches.