Sk8man

I can see that you didn't take your psychotropic medication today so there is no use responding.

Ahab - although you make some interesting points in your argument woth considering your denigration of young people and short sighted view of influences of folks who may have moved to the area or perhaps just weren't born here and blaming them for having views which oppose yours is truly ignorant as well as arrogant. I respect your right to voice your view as well as other folks who may have very different views than my own oir some of the others here and I would defend your and their right to express them as well but is it really necessary to demean or belittle people as though your own viewpoint is more valid than theirs or blame others who may not have lived their whole lives in the area for what you perceive as a threat to your own views? It is unfortunate that divergent views can't be expressed without the polarization and belittling of others.

Yup.....Good going John

Good one Jim

The ones pictured appear to be left to right: #22, #71, #31, and #44 I believe but could be a 22 hard to tell for sure rom the angle. bandrus Ed - The old guy could have sold them up that way because I know he also frequented some other tackle shops out of the area. I talked with him probably 25 or 30 times over the years when I'd run into him.

Ed unless someone bought the dies after the guy died they were all originally made at his home based shop at the south end of Seneca and they were $1.75 each in the mid to late 70's ....kind of a bargain at today's prices but then again I remember buying Sutton's for $2.25 each...sometimes it pays to be a dinosaur.....for awhile anyway

Good spoons. They were made by a guy who lived near Elmira. I can't remember his name but he frequented the tackle shops around Seneca lake including my friend's Fisherman's Friend shop near Waterloo. I usd to run in to him there fairly often. He machined his own stuff and put the dimples and swirls in the material and polished it etc. The basic shapes and some sizes were modeled after the Sutton's but the finishing wasn't actual silver nor did it look like it. He had spoons in the #11 (smallest), 31, 22, 44, 71,and 88 and finishes in plain silver, plain brass, swirl (both in silver/pearl swirl and brass swirl), hammered silver, and hammered brass. At one point I had dozens of them but over the years many have disappeared and I doctored up a bunch with tape etc. I caught some huge lakers with the (large) 88's on Seth Greens on Owasco and Seneca. The #11 shaped a little like the Sutton#6 is still my favorite rainbow and landlock spoon. The guy was in his 60's or so back in the 70's so he is long gone by now and I don't know if anyone ever bought his dies etc. The red eyes are a current add on by the way as is the ladder tape None of them ever came with any tape or artificial eyes. They came standard with trebles which I felt were very weak so they were always replaced with SS singles

If you were out there today you are one hard core dude .

#'s 2, 3, and 6 for the Finger Lakes....all should work real well on Lake O

I have known some of the conservation officers in DEC section 8 for many years and they are some of the most hard working guys out there. When most of us are at home at night or odd hours or holidays (for us) for example many times they are out doing their job just as are the true majority of state law enforcement officers (e.g State Police). They don't have the easiest jobs either in current times. The folks to direct your anger and displeasure at are the incompetent legislators and the Emperor (Cuomo) himself not the"worker bees" trying to cope with the budget cuts, short staffing issues etc. they should be receiving our full support not unfounded criticism. We do need to have the laws enforced but enough folks to do it is what is lacking.

Good one Justin! That motor of yours looks really sweet! Glad to see the gas tank situation is well in hand....shame you had to go through that. I haven't forgotten about our trip by the way. Thanks Pap same to you and yours. Really looking forward to this season too.

Thanks.

I think I might have screwed up taking mine out of the barn too early this time. It has never seen snow on it before

Some types of catfish (e.g. Flathead will mainly if not only feed on live bait Bullheads (brown bullhead and yellow bullhead) on the other hand are true bottom feeders and will eat dead stuff as well. They are sometimes mistaken for one another but they generally live in dfiferent habitats (bullheads in brackish or muddy water and flatheads which grow much larger than bullheads are found in clearer water (e.g. near dams etc.).

Separate subspecies

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Yep... what i was referring to when I said enough to prevent the wave action etc. from taking it out as it is enough to provide the necessary tension to keep them hooked up because they have to pull it pretty good at the start and the weight of the dipsey, flasher and wire combined with very sharp hooks (which also should be checked routinely and sharpened as necessary) are enough to accomplish it without problems. As important is reeling steadily without letting slack in the wire (or any line for that matter) and never "set the hook" as I've seen some folks do If the dipsey release tension is set right everyhting should function fine.

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You haven't seen anything yet Hop.....wait till the derby :lol: (I bought a whole sewing kit just for the pins to stick in the doll)

The guys have given you a good "wire 101" start. I would emphasize that you don't let out the wire using the free spool and thumbing it. What you do is set your drag so that it just creeps out evenly and slowly while you do other stuff and intermittently monitoring it. If you try the thumbing approach it can get away from you as well as go down too fast tangling everything up on the way. Frequently check the terminal end of the wire each time (trip) before using it for any broken strands and re-do the connection if you spot any break in it. Set your drag so that wave action won't trigger it but a fish will and watch your rod tips constantly as it can tell you when you are too fast speed wise as well as when a small fish may be on because especially with lakers sometimes they feel the lack of "give" of the wire and just come right along without fighting until they feel you pulling on the rod. Don't "horse" the fish because the wire is unforgiving as may be the fluoro leader (little to no stretch) reel the wire in smoothly and observe the wire coming on the reel to make sure it doesn't cross thread on you. When you are transporting it is critical to maintain tension on the wire at all times whether using a two piece rod or single. Some folks use a bungee setup to maintain tension. others fasten the swivel to a rod eye, while others keep their dipseys right on the rig strapped to the rod in various ways....whichever way you choose it must keep the tension. The 30 lb wire needs more attention than say 60 lb (on my Seth Green rigs for example which have lasted over thirty years and are still like new) The thinner the wire the more likely the wire will develop curly Q's in it and retain "spool memory" so as already mentioned periodic monitoring is important and just cut out small section where it occurs as necessary. You won't ever totally get rid of the problem but it can be controlled this way. As far as maintenance of the wire itself as long as the tension is kept and any kinks deleted from it the only thing to remember is during long periods of storage back off the drag on the reel so that it will hold the wire but not be under full spool tension. The turning radius of the boat with your particular setups will depend on many things (rod spacing, angles, rod length, trolling speed, and overall configuration of your setups. Suffice it to say you want to minimize tangles as they are particularly problematic with wire (and combined with stuff like leadcore or braid etc.). I know I'm sounding pessamistic but keep a pair of wire cutters handy for these potential situations...like it or not....s..t happens . Make any turns gradual and observe the angle and position of your lines and adjust accordingly if necessary.

It was from when I stuck the pins in the voodoo doll Hop because of the busting comment above