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Wishin calls his restraints (snares) when he talks of them. Either way its the same. Depending how it preforms. And like you said YOUR "restraints" DO KILL. That DOES makes them SNARES. You killed 3 deer and only caught 35 yotes. Did the BMPs pass with over 10% non target catches and a high kill rate of deer? Bottom line is you are doing it wrong. Not sure about the pa game commision. But here you would be surely fined for such poor traping practices. Post this on a deer hunting site or even a trapping site and I'm sure you will hear some serious debate. You are a disgrace to real trappers. I dont care how long you've been doing this. If you set snares on "deer trails" your an idiot. Traping is great for the environment when done responsibly, but killing 1 deer for every 10 coyotes is nowhere near acceptable. That's rediculous. Might as well bring back the 1080 compound. You really need to learn the error of your ways before you do any more damage. 35 coyotes in 10 years doesn't add up to much. That's not even a good year for a coyote trapper. If I was you I'd retire the snares before your next catch makes the news. You are that bad apple the spoils the whole bunch.

I have been traping since 94 off and on. Not much lately but was a fanatic as a kid. Just don't have the time cause I know what it takes to run even a little line. I remember the coon bmp's when everybody was arguing about that. A victor with baseplates, 4 coils, laminated and offset jaws with new chain and swivels like the BMPs advised is indeed $20. I live die for the outdoors. The facts are that I live near Olcott NY and feel a lot of eyes on this site are from my area....or even Canada. None of the land that touches lake Ontario is open to snaring. And change it now but go back. It was called snaring in the begining of this all and not till I said how I felt did you all say restraint and jump on me for daring to ever say anything when the person who pushed the snares in the begining was recomending somebody who lives near me try them out. And when the guy who recommends trying snares says he has caught lots of deer and some just die. OK you think that's not an issue. He caught 2 coyotes and apparently more than 2 deer. Nobody calls him ignorant and says hey maybe you should lower your loops down a foot....or if they can jump thru the loop its way to freaking big....or the deer stops dont prevent choking, they stop the loop from catching the legs when a deer hits the snare it cant close down on its ankle. Cause anybody who has a clue wouldnt be setting snares high enough to catch deer around the head reguarally. Are your coyotes that tall? hip caught snares and catching multiple deer is rediculous and irresponsible and will end trapping if you do that here. Maybe you should read the BMPs or ask a real trapper to show you how to set snares before you go recommend them. I stand by what I said. Snares in the hands of idiots is not a good idea. You assume I'm anti trapping but I've done it for over 20 yrs off and on. Paps I'm not trying to anger you. Your older than me and probably wiser. But the rest of you who didn't like what I said that's too bad. The question was asked about talk of snaring has come up in NY.....and I can say this thread sums it up. Its a touchy subject to say the least. Bottom line is people need more education. Me as well as others on here. If you catch a deer and it dies do you keep it or let it rot?

I'm not trying to bash anybody for using snares....but I don't want them in my woods or any state land near me. And under ideal situations they can be fairly safe. But let's not pretend the general public is responsible enough to use them near civilization. Beaver under ice not really a concern. Any setting on dry land is a threat to my dog. On your land. Do as you wish. But don't think even implying that somebody set them in NY won't get you some quarrels. My dog wears a GPS tracking collar and a shock collar and won't be allowed to run where its not allowed. But that does not mean that dogs have not been caught in snares where snares should not have been. I wish there were more trappers around like there used to be but its hard for them here and snares will not help you here in NY unless you want to end trapping faster. And me being a new person here on this forum has nothing to do with how I feel. And it doesn't make what I say less important. Snares are not legal here. They probably never will be, and you should not recommend them to anybody who lives in this state.

Those restraints are called snares. They are not legal here for good reasons. One reason is they can and will kill deer. Another reason is they will also kill my dog. If I ever find my dog in one then a pack of coyotes is the last thing you need to worry about. I've released my dogs from footholds a bunch of times. I just laugh and tell them that what they get for sticking there nose where it don't belong. But if they hit a snare full speed and it locks around there neck its over fast. I support trapping and will set traps myself. None would ever be a snare or a conibear on dry land. Stupid and irresponsible. Another thing is like was said. They cost pennies. So they get misplaced and left behind in the woods and restrain animals to there death. Not like a $20+ victor that you would look for. Your cheap snare gets forgot and left right where you set it. Don't set snares and do not think of it ever in NY. A snare might have its place. But not as a main tool. You should try catching them in footholds and maybe use a snare in a controlled situation with a few yotes and areas. Not a main tool cause its cheap and light weight. That's just lazy. Hope it works out for you either way. Pa is a long way for my dog to run....but if it does you better hope that snare don't find its way around its neck.

Those are sweet....do they come custom painted like that?

My 3.5 870 kicks the crap out of me. It does always fire unlike the autos but my buddies 10 double doesn't kick bad and it really reaches out there on the pass shooting days. Shells might be a bit more but he can take shots farther than me and he has to chase less cripples. Once I fire a second or third shot on a cripple his 10ga shells end up being cheaper.

Buy a 10ga

Well my buddy needs 4 cheap dipsy rods. He is just getting started and would like to get 4 rods with line counter reels. Preferably with line. Would drive anywhere from Lackawanna to Rochester to get going this weekend. Let me know what you got. Thanks!

Where you located?

We need more details....what size/type of boat....what you fish for? My first thought off my head is Basshole....could be bass guitar or largemouth bass.....and you'd have to be kind of a Basshole for it to work. But most us drunk rock and roll types are. Lol

I was out in my 14ft row boat with a 9.9 on it last night. Caught a few perch out of olcott and played in the waves as long as I could....but you know how it is....one wave comes over just a bit and somebody gets a little wet and people cry...it was raining anyway. So we came back as the waves just started to top the pier. Was fun. Just bought the boat to replace my 12ft and new it would be rough out there but paid the 8 bucks and hit the water around 3 just to run the motor and guage the way it would handle waves. A lot better than I thought. A lot better then the sears gamefisher. Played in the harbor for a bit and took my 12 fish home. Great time and couldn't ask for more. Lol so if you want....I'll come bomb around in your row boat with a 25 on it....just make sure it has the foam in the seats still and don't go out far....I couldn't tell you how many times me and my brother sunk the canoe out there....

Does anybody target perch in the big water during the summer? I know Ontario gets some big perch. Would be nice to find them out in the deep during summer.