LongLine

Boat Name: LongLine Launched at the river at 5:30. Headed west out to 70 FOW & worked out to 160FOW & back. South wind, solid 1 ft chop with occasional 2 ft’rs out deep. 62.5 Surf temp. 56F on the bottom in 80FOW. 2 “Kalifornia†Kings (both clipped) & one bow. All on rigger’s, down 52 & 65. Med leads. DWSS death wish & R&R purple ice(?). Interesting N-S temp break at river. 61F East & blue water, 62.5 west with greenish. South wind apparently piled a lot of cold water towards I-Bay. Bait clouds at 40 ft early but then they settled to the bottom. Won't be long before the bigger ones are in the area. Maybe 10 boats out there. Haven’t been out there in month & it sure felt good getting out again. Luck to all, Tom B. (LongLine)

If you want sales people who know something about fishing, go to the local shops. Very few real fishermen work in the big box stores. Over the years I've come to believe that most eye fishermen are very tight lipped. They'll brag, show pictures but won't reveal much more. Albeit, we have quite a few on this board that are confident in their skills and are very willing to share good info to help other members out. BTW, according to the DEC, the Genny and I-Bay are very underutilized eye fisheries. Tom B. (LongLine)

Stan - That's cruel & just plain ol mean! You know we enjoy those left coast pix. Tom B. (LongLine) just playing

Welcome to the site. I couldn't see across the street for the fog this morning so I went back to bed. Did the Kings have adipose fins? Tom B. (LongLine)

Stopped in Irondequoit & got gas at 5, took St Paul St down to lake. As I crossed Stutson St bridge, I saw the 1st lightning. Took a left on Lake & went home. Didn't get wet till I had boat backed into driveway. Then it poured! Maybe tomorrow. Tom B. (LongLine)

Rolmops - The NYPA GLOW proposal calls for them to be out to a MAXIMUM of 150FOW and a minimum of 50 turbines per area. If you look at any of the turbine company sites & studies, they say the best spacing of offshore turbines is a minimum array of 5 x 10 spacing. That means they will be in staggered columns. Minimum spacing is 5 rotor diameters perpendicular to the prevailing winds (N & S) and 10 rotor diameters with the prevailing winds.(E to W) Rotors are 90m in diameter (approx 300ft) Note: what I have drawn is the absolute minimum spacing & E-W scale is small. http://www.nypa.gov/NYPAwindpower/GLOW% ... 9%20LR.pdf Yes they will come much closer to shore than NYPA puts in their sales pitch. If you look up the GLOW proposal and the AWS Truewind siting studies, NYPA says 70% of the wind potential comes from less than 50FOW, so that is the real area they are targeting. Check your navigation map. 50 turbines off Rochester will put the area from shore to 150 FOW and from Round Pond to Webster Park out of bounds for fishing. (with the exeption of 1/2 mile swath for the Stephen B. Roman directly north of the Genny. Tom B. (LongLine)

WTG Tom B. (LongLine)

T2, Agree with Ray, if you're getting good reception with the single antenna, I'd think you'd be better off looking for a radio with a programmable channel scan feature. When in scan mode they spend about 3 seconds on the chosen channel then move to the next chosen channel, if there's no signal on the 1st channel. (I think that is what he was trying to say) Tom B. (LongLine)

Skipper - I just saw this. Nice fish. I vote Atlantic, however FairHF is correct that the way to eliminate all doubt is to look in the mouth. If it does not have well developed, 2 rows of teeth down the center of the roof, it's an Atlantic. Tom B. (LongLine)

Rolmops, Salmon are very temperature oriented. Big-O can be hydraulically very active, late May through June as you witnessed. A good stiff wind pushes the surface water, which is being warmed by the sun, around. With the SW wind, what happens is that the water depth farther from shore (towards the NE) actually gets deeper and the near shore water gets shallower with respect to the datum level. Nature makes water seek its own level hence water that was on the bottom (out deeper) begins to flow toward the shallower shoreline. This sets up some very interesting currents and often some pockets of warmer water get pushed by these currents. (when deeper in the middle, the water often moves both N & S) If you look at what the water gage at Oswego did during this period, you’ll see that it actually got deeper there, then it went back down. (top graph) This is nature’s way of mixing the water and generally a few of these events precede stratification. It’s what makes fishing this time period so “interesting†to some and “frustrating†to others. Another thing to remember is that any one boat, on a Saturday, only covers a very small portion of the lake and will experience “local†events such as small moving pockets of warm water. What the satellite recorded for the whole lake is as follows: If you look at the overall lake deep water temps, they were not all that affected by the wind event you experienced. http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/glc ... pe=N&hr=48 The east end is still warmer than the west end. Historically our colleagues at Fair Haven & Oswego have to fish much deeper than we in the Central or West end do. This temperature gradient shown on the transects, is driven by wind but also by much more than just wind events. I.e. the prevailing westerly’s, the corriolis effect (sp), Lake Basin geometry, St Lawrence outflow, etc Bottom line: temps change, fish in our area change. They may move; may scatter; may sit on the bottom to adjust to it. If we knew exactly what they did all the time, we’d be called “catchermen†not fishermen. Tom B. (LongLine)

suporters of the Big-O Fishery and all around sportsmen... Happy Birthday Tim. Tom B. (LongLine)

Happy B-day FX Tom B. (LongLine)

I also agree with Tim. Fish may have a 1000:1 chance of surviving when released but he has absolutely no chance if you keep him. I read somewhere that if you hook a fish really really deep, it's recomended to just cut the line & let him go. Tom B. (LongLine)

I've never found 2 papers that totally agree on the exact initial signal to start moving to their home stream. Just about all do agree that they find the home stream with their olfactory sense of chemical makeup. (ie smell the chemicals) Consensus is that their bodies begin to change & in they come. Some researchers have proposed the theory that ocean fish navigate great distances via magnetostictors in their bodies & follow the magnetic field of the earth. Keating popularized the theory of 2 basic types of Kings. I.e. the home bodies that hug the bottom & really don't travel very far from their home streams and the "nomads" that travel from one end of the lake to the other. You may want to pick up a copy of his book. (He suggests ways to target each) Some guys have proposed what he's talking about are really Naturals vs Stockers. I do know that the 1st kings come in aound the beginning of August for a quick "sniff" of the streams then go back out to wherever they're holding. Stream temps are way too warm for their metabolism for them to spend much time on the inside. Good currents are key to their reproductive success as has been found out on the Salmon river, but do currents really give them a signal? I doubt it as in August the rivers are low and at very low flow. Also the general current in the lake (on our side) is from West to East. Why do the fish seem to move in August/Sept from Olcott to Oswego - ie go downstream? Additionally, we all know the best nearshore/stream fishing in Sept is on those dark & rainny days. They seem to rush the rivers in hordes. Guess it's all part of nature's plan that we're meant to ponder but not completely figure out. Here's a site that may give you some insight. http://www.marinebio.net/marinescience/ ... arepro.htm If you figure it all out, please let me know. We could then write a book and become famous & maybe even Ray would buy a copy. Tom B. (LongLine)

Welcome to the site Steve. Glad you finaly seen the light. Thursdays & Mondays are generally the calmest out there. A bit of advice: if the "old man" picks out his favorite lure from years ago, DON'T change the hooks! You can change the boat's name but there are cermonies, rituals and spells to invoke first. One involves running backwards around the boat three times. A little difficult to do if you're docked at Shumway's. (but not impossible) Good luck, Tom B. (LongLine)

WTG - Got a picture? T BTW - Welcome to the site Tom B. (LongLine)

Good luck Phil. Show stan how to do it. Tom B. (LongLine)

Me too: Tom B. (LongLine)

Ditto what Ray said. Consider installing keel rollers down the center of the trailer. Their slight V shape will align the boat if you can get the keel centered in the first two nearest the winch. The boat is still floating so you should be able to winch it up to the winch post. Just make sure to get the height alignment right as you want them to take a "little weight" and still have the bunks support the majority of the weight when on the trailer. Tom B. (LongLine)

Dog - Welcome to the site. Any of the elongated weights, such as the fish shaped ("herbies") or torpedos by Atommik will give you less blowback than the balls, especially the coated balls. Sharks & Pancakes also work well but you have to be careful about adusting their fins or they may give you some good tangles. Attaching your release to the rigg'r line above the weight will reduce your side to side. By attaching it to the tail of the weight, it has a tendency to steer your weight. (As you turn to starboard, the weight will go to port) Use a double pinch pad release for mounting on the cable. Single pads are used more more frequently on planer boards. As for "hum", the heavier the weight the higher the pitch of the hum. It's caused by tension on the cable. Check your mounting screws and pully connections, if anything is loose, the more you'll hum. Some rigg'rs hum no matter what you do. Good luck, Tom B. (LongLine)

A couple/few years back, I had to go to Buffalo for work & I stopped in at lunch time to see if they'd take a look at my probe, and ship it back to me. They handled it on the spot. Can't get better service than that from anyone. Tom B. (LongLine)

Wes - The committee makes their decisions 2-3 months in advance. They thought we'd get a average winter with average run off so they kept the outflow up. Winter snows ended real early and it's been a pretty dry spring. i.e. the committee F'd up - they should'a read the Farmers Almanac. Tom B. (LongLine)

gg welcome to the site. Here's a couple links: http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/WhoWeAre/ ... t/lelo.htm http://www.ijc.org/conseil_board/islrbc ... lation.htm Scrolla around then follow the links & you'll get all the info you want. Tom B. (LongLine)