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PH - I'm really curious how this fish got injured and how it survived. No other marks on it. A lot of guys say that hook injuries or even fin clipping kill the fish & we need to be so careful about C&R. This little beast had both gill plates gone and healed over, so it wasn't just a recent thing. Guess they're just hardier than we can imagine. Tom B. (LongLine)

You guys in Oswego got the scow. (albeit a 70+ mph scow) The one I saw launched at the Genny looked more like an Interceptor or oversized Liberator. Wish I had the money they had invested just in those freeking stainless propellers. A-TOM-MIK - Did you know that they are the only NY enforcement arm that doesn't need a search warrant to check your car, property, etc for suspected violations of environmental conservation laws. Regular cop can't search your locked trunk, just for speeding. Think of the transportation laws - baitfish, legal limit, firewood, exotic & illegal pets/pests/plants, etc. Speeding & the surcharge is just bonus money for the state. They can also inspect any commercial or industrial property at any time, totally unannounced. Tom B. (LongLine)

The NYSDEC publishes Wild life Monthly Highlights on their web-site. Here is what the Bureau of Habitat reported on Pg 3 & 4 for May 2010 concerning The Hudson River dredging project: http://www.dec.ny.gov/about/41433.html The Rochester Embayment extends from shore out to 145 FOW. It's all mud/sand/silt. My depthfinder has shown me areas where it is over 40 ft thick. Per navigation maps, the area off Niagara has a very similar bottom. Turbines that stand stand 400 ft above the water line will require huge foundations for stability. Do a google on the Baltic Sea turbine foundations and transmission lines, then apply your math skills as to how much of the sediment will be disturbed. (hint: Just for transmission lines that interconnect turbines, Baltic trenches are usually 3ft wide, 5-6 ft deep. 150 turbines at 2100 ft apart would require a little over 60 miles of trench – not including substations or the runs to shore) Tom B. (LongLine

Could'a been a joyride. (You ought to see the Homeland boats - now they got rigs worth joyriding in!) Or maybe they got a tip about someone & were looking around. Or maybe the new guy was getting the feel of the boat. Or maybe you just looked "suspicious" but then they said - naw, he's not dragging a net, nor a stringer full of sturgeon, he's a fine upstanding and law-abiding NY sports fisherman that is releasing all the little fish he's catching so no use bothering him. Or maybe they fiqured you might be a member of the most popular Lake Ontario fishing board and you'd post something thus let everyone know that they do patrol Lake Ontario, even out deep occassionally. ie you never know where they'll pop up. (Kind of funny how if a state trooper is just sitting off the expressway & eating a sandwich that traffic slows down) Or maybe they were joyriding. Tom B. (LongLine)

Fishing Report LongLine Got a late start at the river this morning. Winds out of the north, switching to west. Slight chop. (maybe 1 ½ ft’rs – just enough to make flying solo a challenge) Put in at 165 off Russell, worked out to 260, round & about then back in to 140FOW. 1 bow about 8 Lbs & 3 little guys. All clean fish. How did this one ever survive? Both gills cut and both healed over. A wild fish? (I doubt it) About 14/16†long. Believe it or not, even though a little bloody, (caught on a treble) he revived & swam away. 54F at 80 down over 140, 120 down at 200 and 85 down at 250. Strange up and down temps. Everything off rigg’rs. Purple DWSS, 2.8-3.0. Lots of broken up bait pods 180-210FOW. Couldn’t find any big ones though. Talked to DEC who were taking Angler survey. Out at 11:30. Tom B. (LongLine)

Outstanding! Tom B. (LongLine)

As far as I know the Chinook egg-take only happens on the SR near the hatchery. (except in 2007) SR returns are the “brood stock†for the NY side. Altmar is the only US hatchery raising them for Lake Ontario. The 2009 report (fall egg collection) http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/lorpt09.pdf The 2008 report (fall egg collection) http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_ ... 8sec08.pdf In 2007, they had the poor returns to the SR so they scrambled and tried to collect eggs at the Black River, Oak Orchard and 18 Mile. The 2007 report (fall egg collection) http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_ ... 07sec9.pdf The 2006 report (fall egg collection) http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_ ... 06sec9.pdf The 2005 report (fall egg collection) http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_ ... 05sec9.pdf I talked to a couple DEC Bio's for the Angler Survey on the Genny today, and they said it was just a rumor. They also said the big ones that I didn't catch today were the missing ones from the 2007 class. (Obviously Nat Repo did not make up for that year class stocking shortfall) Tom B. (LongLine)

Purple spoons, especially DWSS, are absolutely no good. Rather than throw them out and load up the landfill, (and because I'm such a helpful guy) send them all to me and I'll find a good use for them. Tom B. (LongLine)

That’s absolutely correct about the coal plant…No one has suggested putting a coal plant IN the lake. However proponents always argue that offshore farms are better than coal plants. A coal plant in the lake is just as bad as turbines in the lake. Vestas & Siemens recommend the exclusion zones, not NYPA. NYPA has stated that exclusion zones will be up to other gov’t agencies, which won’t commit to anything until after they are built. Even without an exclusion zone wait & see what your boat insurance company does when they see another 150 or so navigation hazards out there. It’s interesting how proponents always try to drum up support using “apple data†in a discussion about oranges. Yes, part of the Upper Hudson River was dredged from May-Oct 2009. However, they used very special environmental dredges and put a lot of booms in place before they started. Fish consumption was an issue before dredging and will continue to be an issue for many years into the future. (Click on a few links on this site for details and pictures of it) http://www.epa.gov/hudson/ No one complained about the Hudson becoming “suddenly polluted†because it already was very polluted. Lake Ontario has been becoming progressively cleaner due to the run-off water laws and loss of industry plus environmental regulations. Mussels have also contributed by consuming some pollutants and keeping them on the bottom. Why risk disturbing all that? An NYPA rep was on Channel 8 the other night and said that “pollution is now something they may study.†They finally admit: All this time and money spent and they haven’t done their homework. How does the Hudson compare to Lake Ontario? Well, this site says they maintain a shipping channel in the Upper river (where they dredged for PCB’s in 2009) of 12 feet deep. It also says it has an outflow of 13.6k Cu ft/sec, yet is tidal and flow can reverse itself up to 4 times per day. It also says the majority of the water is used for industrial purposes. (Industrial & potable are different things) http://ny.water.usgs.gov/projects/hdsn/fctsht/su.html For anyone curious, the Niagara River has a one direction outflow of approx 202k Cu ft/sec. Yes – 2nd time you’ve used Apples in an Orange discussion. (and you call me a “politician†?) You say it hard to imagine things could get worse. Because you can’t imagine it, doesn’t mean it can’t get worse. It just means you can’t imagine it. (Obama thinks they can get a lot worse if the Republicans get their way, but republicans don’t think that.) As to the money issue mentioned: Yes, why should we jeopardize recreational boating/fishing as it has historically realizes a great financial return to the people of the area. Look at yourself being (pardon the expression) an “out-of-stater.†Will you continue to spend the same money here if anything happens to the fishery? I know you already tried to start a fishing tourney here, but would you do it again if anything happened to the fishery? Also regarding money and windfarm operations, I’m sure you’re aware of the interesting financials concerning Locust Ridge II which is not very far from you: http://republicanherald.com/news/wind-c ... s-1.222072 Iberdrola got over $50 million in cash 4 months after LRII was operational and are going to spend it other than in Pa. (They politically say “it’s re-imbursementâ€) That was in cash – not a tax credit. How about their perfect safety record: http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2009/05/ ... stigation/ How about their claims to provide local jobs? Rather than hire Pa people, they went out of state. http://republicanherald.com/news/iron-w ... Comment=60 Take it as you want. I for one am not buying their snake oil, their bridges, or their property on the moon. It’s an untested experiment in freshwater of tremendous scale with enormous risk that I am not willing to buy. Tom B. (LongLine)

Happy B-Day Ray. Whattheheck ...enjoy both days. (take Saturday too) Tom B. (LongLine)

just starting...keep it simple. Definitely get the best reels you can afford. (ones with the best drag) Pick up a few DW SS spoons. At least one green and at least one purple. Also look for a couple different brands of NBK's & 42nd's. (Northern Kings, Stingers, etc) Fishing should get a little bit easier for the rest of the season. Catch a fish first then go "blow a bundle." Don't worry about size of boat as long as you keep an eye on the weather, think safety and know how to handle your rig. BTW - welcome to the site. Tom B. (LongLine)

This will make a mess the great majority of the time. Tom B. (LongLine)

I knew there a big one out there. WTG. Tom B. (LongLine)

WTG. Glad it worked out for you. Hope it's nothing serious with the rig. Tom B. (LongLine)

. Those figures you refer to are how much is used. They are not how much exists. If that was all the supply that existed then the nation would be out of water in one day. There's a difference between the noun "supply" and the verb "supplies." An analogy is that my full 18 gal fuel tank supplies the 5 gals I use every Saturday. 5 gals per day is not my supply, my supply is 18 gal. I apologize for the typo, I left out the k. But you know: exactly how much freshwater there is really doesn't detract from the fact that turbine foundation & transmission line construction will dig up polluted sediments in well documented EPA Areas of Concern. There are a few states eyeing the lake water as their groundwater is inaccessible. BTW Shoremont “supplies†60 million gallons per day of drinking water out of that much greater “supply†of water to Monroe County. Tom B. (LongLine)

The cited USGS site says we used 262,000mgal/day from surface water & 84mgal/day from ground water. It doesn’t illustrate how much surface water there is or how much ground water there is. Most of the world’s freshwater is inaccessible hence we have so many states challenging the Great Lake states for water rights. Nowhere on the webpage cited is the number 75% used. 1st paragraph from the cited EPA source says “21 % of the world’s supply and 84% of North America’s supply.†(North America is bigger than the US) The quote you referred to, I made in the sticky on turbines is: Somehow you read the above statement as: I’d suggest you investigate remedial math, reading and geography classes before you accuse someone of “twisting facts.†It amazes me how turbine proponents read what they want, accuse others of twisting facts then beg out of the conversation when they’re shown their incorrect premises. But what the hey….It’s green, so it must be good, right? Just like algae, mold, rotted teeth, and mucus when you sick. Have a nice day. Tom B. (LongLine)

Not sure about the older ones...check the springs in the handles on newer ones. Tom B. (LongLine)

If you can't release them at the side, gently hold them head first into the current. Do not pull them back and forth. May take a few minutes, but great majority will swim away. Tom B. (LongLine)

Welcome to the site Husky. Looks like a lot of others are looking for the same info. I'd help ya if I could but I don't fish that area. I'd suggest you look back a dozen pages or so in the fish report section to see what was happening last year up there. Good luck, Tom B. (LongLine)

Marty - when you sense the fish is going to jump, ie he stays on the surface, get your rod tip down, Even in the water, but keep it bent. This will put a lot of your line in the water. The fish will have a hard time getting slack as he has to pull the bow in the line out first. If all your line is out of the water, it is very easy for a thrashing fish to get some slack. Tom B. (LongLine)

WTG Andy. If Jerry didn't point it out, that second pic is a wild one. Tom B. (LongLine)

WTG. My hat's off to you guys. Please be carefull out there. The little guys generally come up & fight near the surface, sometimes jumping, but the bigger ones will generally come up to the boat then dig right for the bottom. Tom B. (LongLine) ps. that king was stocked.

Dale, If you’re asking why there are so many little guys: 1. We had a short winter. I believe survival rate was high with this last stocking that used a couple more pens than past years. 2. Little guys eat little Alewives and their hatch was pretty good this year. (Older Alewives are not as plentiful as the younger ones.) Although there are some “homebodiesâ€, many Salmon often travel in east/west fashion not just in fall for their spawning run. I.e. little salmon will travel E-W gobbling little alewives, which are fairly close to shore, as they go. Bigger fish prefer bigger Alewives which are further out. 3. Lake has been changing. Water is clearer & nearshore is quite warm right now. Big fish are deep & currently being spotted 150+ft down. (Although they do go vertically to eat & will begin sniffing out their home rivers very soon – probably end of this week. If you catch one that is beginning to darken, it’s been in warm water.) 4. 2007 had the eye-up issue in the hatcheries, so central’s allotment was cut. (2008 stocking) I.e. more little guys than big guys right now. If you’re asking why I post pictures of little guys: I am very interested in the amount of Natural reproduction going on out there. Studies show it varies every year. I’m guessing this year is in the 35-40% range. HIH, Tom B. (LongLine)

I got 2 of them. Guess I'm special? Tom B. (LongLine)