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    New Steelhead Open Lake Fishing Reg Update

    in Open Lake Discussion

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    I'm not sure why this dead horse keeps taking a bat to the head.
    Congratulations.... You got your regulations... All this did was further the divide between stream and lake angler.. The thing is , NO WHERE in the history of the lake has a group of lake anglers pushed for regulations on the tributaries...
    So here it is... The regulations that you guys were promised..
    I knew things were fishey when I heard trout unlimited was involved... If I could prove a special interest group was involved in getting regulations passed, you bet it would be all over the news.... I'm still digging on that one...
    So here is another side.... The DEC does not care one bit what the common lake guy thinks... Our observations don't matter.. They don't want to hear anything... The state of the lake meetings are garbage.. Pure lip service...
    I used to want to be involved with the meetings and focus groups... Now, not So much...
    It's a shame that it has come to this, but what's done is done ... You can't put the toothpaste back into the tube...

    Hoc confecto im

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    A BIG Thank You to the Biologists and Staff at the Salmon River Fish Hatchery

    in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)

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    Lake guys have been getting restrictions tossed down our throats for years... Steelhead regs, regs on the number of silvers we can catch, stocking cuts, closure of hatcheries... So now we are supposed to sit back and allow a small group of loud people with deep pockets dictate how I run my business or enjoy my free time? Heck.. It was Lake guys's sweat and spare time that put those fish in the lake...
    Stream guys want to regulate the stream...cool... Have at it....
    If the DEC continues to cut stocking numbers of kings, then somthing must be done to protect any natural and the brood stock of kings...again..whats right is right...

    So I can't help but ask the question.  If they did adjust regs to lean toward protecting / improving the salmon return to the hatchery (since the DEC says salmon should be managed for the lake), would the lake community be more accepting of increased regs on steelhead which the DEC has said should be managed for the tributaries?   I've fished both sides for years and lean lake currently.  In seeing the other post about proposed steelhead restrictions and negative feel there I'm curious if we all would be more willing to give on the one to get the other.  While it probably wouldn't happen.  I do agree with the DEC approach.  (salmon lake/ steelhead tribs).  


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    A BIG Thank You to the Biologists and Staff at the Salmon River Fish Hatchery

    in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)

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    Yessir..... The DEC did say that the lake was managed for salmon. Protect the school for natural reproduction and stocking efforts. What is right is right...

    Wouldn't it be great if the Salmon River was closed down for Salmon season so the biggest and best genetics made it to the hatchery? If you've seen the Sh**show on that river you'd know the hatchery gets "whatever makes it." The hatchery does a great job with what they have to work with. 


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    In search of

    in Open Lake Discussion

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    Hey Guys... I've been on the seach for an aluminum center console... Starcraft or similar rig... Prefer a 21-22 but would entertain an 18. Must have a reliable outboard as I will be using it in December, January and possibly on the Atlantic...

    If anyone comes across a rig like that, please PM me... Much appreciated...

     

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    Genny River Return??????

    in Open Lake Discussion

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    I agree with Gambler on a lot of things.... Including the pen rearing projects being very important for the fishery... The emphasis is on survivability instead of imprinting... Even when the stocking numbers were high ( not this joke we are contending with in recent years)... The returns were drastically lower after the closing of Caledonia... Even as good as the fishing was the past three summers, the return was low...
    So as far as imprinting, I don't buy into it. I do buy into the increased survivability factor... At least at the Genny I do.. The stained water hides our little buddies from the aerial assault that other ports contend with.
    No doubt that Caledonia coming back on line would increase returns... And like Rick said, a different hatchery not hooked into the S.R. could probably benefit the West end also...
    It's getting old going to these meetings and getting the "Talk to the hand" with any ideas we come up with...

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    Genny River Return??????

    in Open Lake Discussion

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    Absolutely!

    The DEC has openly admitted that the main objective of pen rearing projects are to increase survival rates rather than imprinting.... 2-1 survival to be exact.
    So there is no secret that since salmon raising at the Caledonia Hatchery has ceased, the fall runs in central and western tribs have drastically diminished. There really is only one cause...
    Now I'm a big proponent of the pen rearing programs. I just adjust my trips to focus on July and August for offshore Pelagics.. You can't count on Sept Stagers for potential targets.
    Yes, I have a big enough boat to go offshore to fish 2yr olds and Steelhead. The unfair thing is the small boats who rely on the fall stagers... Sucks for sure...
    As far as talking the talk and walking the walk.... Vince Definetly walks the walk... Like Vince and many posters on this thread, I've fished the Lake for over 40 years... No fancy diploma or a laundry list of white coats in my work history... Just hundreds of fish autopsies a season... I'd say that hours on the water and practical hands on experience would mean more than simply regurgitating data from articles and sitting behind a computer screen...
    99% of us that Fish the Lake and the tributaries want better king fishing... The difference is in opinions of how do we get there...

    There is one and only one reason western end fish do not imprint like they use to.  Caledonia hatchery no more. It is that simple folks, not global warming like a few here seem to think.  Do you not think the rivers were 68 degrees 10 years ago, at this time!!  It will be interesting to see if pens can bring back similar imprints to pre Caledonia days.


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