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Rod I may know someone. Chris

Tom May have been OH BABY

It may be just the economy for the boats that fished on the pro side in the past. Hopfully it will be better next year. As far as the boats that fished the amature side many have exspressd themselves in other posts.

Ray He was on Son of A Gun with Captain Chad Gehrig.

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I have 3 blue diamond rods with loose reel seats.

This was posted on Spoonpullers. Not sure if these ar official but I know that Vision Quest won. Vision Quest 213.74pts Get It Wet 213.66pts Yankee Trolller 213.52pts Hurricane 208.52pts Super Strike 207.46 Fanatic 205.76 Hammer 204.06pts Orange Peel 202.60pts Reel Excitement 202.58pts Net Profit 202.06pts

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Dave im sure it was just a mistake. When you go to the proam website to see the results you have to study the sheet for a while before you can see who placed where. Its a little confusing at first. Good Job on 2nd Chris

How many boats were in the open division?

Al The drag washers may just need to be cleaned and .regreased. If you do go to the carbon drags put them in dry. this will prevent any hydrolic lockup and they are nice and smooth and require no maintainance. Chris

The results are posted on the Pro-Am website.

This is posted on the Pro-Am website In a year when the Lake Ontario Pro-Am Salmon Team Tournament Series unveiled a new format for competing teams, a tournament regular and a brand new competitor led the charge for the 28th Annual Skip Hartman Memorial Salmon Tournament out of the ports of Olcott and Wilson, Niagara County, June 2-3. The tournament format, previously based on nine fish for the Amateur Division and 12 fish for the Professional Division, shook things up in 2012 to combine the field and offer short and long box formats for everyone to be part of. The Short Box or Trophy Division would include a team’s best five fish for the day. The reminder of a team’s catch, up to 12 fish, would be part of the Long Box or Classic Division. Unfortunately, the first day of the competition was put on hold and eventually cancelled due to a Small Craft Advisory that was in place the entire day. Day two would be for all of the marbles … very expensive ones at that. A total of 53 teams competed in the new tournament format and when it was all said and done, the top team overall in the Classic Division was the White Mule team captained by Bob Cinelli of Newfane. Cinelli’s crew of his wife Karen, Roy Letcher, Doug Chaney and Mark Zeliwski worked together to reel in a total of 11 tournament legal fish to score a total of 170.34 points based on 10 points per fish and a point per pound. There were no limits in the tournament this year. Last year, most teams had a limit catch. Second place in the Classic Division was Yankee Pride led by Fred Lockwood of Southbury, CT with 10 fish and a score of 152.94 points. Third place was Chris LoPresti of Spencerport and his Maverick team with 148.19 points, also with 10 fish. Jim Gordon’s Hawg team won fourth with 147.38 points, followed by Royal Flush, Robert Schneider’s team from Haydenville, MA with 143.08 points. In the brand new Trophy Division, consisting of a team’s best five fish, first time tournament team Wet Net captained by Matt Yablonsky of Youngstown, set the pace with five fish totaling 93.52 points. Included in their catch was the big fish for the tournament, a 22.8 pound king salmon that helped put them over the top. Yablonsky, Mike Barry and Ken Braun rounded out their team, fishing out of a 21-foot Lund – good news for the small boaters. Second place was Pisces headed up by Butch Cooley of Kent with 91.12 points. Not far behind was another 21-foot boat. Jeff Phipps of Newfane led his Vera Lynn team to a score of 89.11 points. Fourth and fifth places were the Hawg and Royal Flush teams with 87.40 and 85.52 respectively. In the Recreational Open Division, Day One was a wash because of the advisory. However, in the drawing for the cash and prizes, Marlowe Beis of Grand Island with the Leviathan team won first place. For the fishing on Day Two, Billy Parkhill of Ransomville led the Smells Like Salmon team to the three fish win by scoring 52.26 points. They also caught the big fish for the Open class, a 10.16 pound steelhead Official Niagara Pro-Am Tournament Results – June 2-3, 2012 Day 1 – Postponed due to Small Craft Advisory Day 2 and Final – Trophy Division – Five Fish Short Box (Best 5 fish) 1. Wet Net, Capt. Matt Yablonsky, Youngstown, NY – 93.52 points ($4,580) 2. Pisces, Capt. Butch Cooley, Kent, NY – 91.12 points ($3,310) 3. Vera Lynn, Jeff Phipps, Newfane, NY – 89.11 points ($2,600) 4. HAWG, Capt. Jim Gordon, Appleton, NY – 87.40 points ($2,100) 5. Royal Flush, Capt. Robert Schneider, Haydenville, MA – 85.52 points ($1,825) 6. Tall Tails, Capt. Brian Garrett, Cortland, NY – 85.39 points ($1`,625) 7. White Mule, Capt. Bob Cinelli, Newfane, NY – 84.13 points ($1,485) 8. On-The-Rocks, Capt. Mike Johannes, Ransomville, NY – 83.83 points ($1,375) 9. Balls Deep, Bob Woods, Pittsburgh, PA – 83.40 points ($1,330) 10. Yankee Troller, Capt. Rick Hajecki, Greece, NY – 83.21 points ($1,330) Classic Division – Up to 12 Fish Long Box (All tournament-legal fish) 1. White Mule, Capt. Bob Cinelli, Newfane, NY – 170.34 points ($4,580) 2. Yankee Pride, Fred Lockwood, Southbury, CT – 152.94 points ($3,310) 3. Maverick, Capt. Chris LoPresti, Spencerport, NY – 148.19 points ($2,600) 4. HAWG, Capt. Jim Gordon, Appleton, NY – 147.38 points ($2,100) 5. Royal Flush, Capt. Robert Schneider, Haydenville, MA – 143.08 points ($1,825) 6. Cold Steel, Capt. Tom Burke, Altmar, NY – 137.90 points ($1,625) 7. Landing Zone, Capt. Dick Dennie, Macedon, NY – 136.47 points ($1,485) 8. Oh-Baby, Matt LeClair, Plattsburgh, NY – 134.24 points ($1,375) 9. Breakaway, Capt. Jeff Parrish, Sanborn, NY – 134.19 points ($1,330) 10. Tall Tails, Capt. Brian Garrett, Cortland, NY – 127.94 points ($1,330) Big Fish – Wet Net, Capt. Matt Yablonsky, Youngstown, NY – 22.80 pound king salmon ($300 plus $100 A-tom-Mik certificate plus Rainbow Lodge Certificate ($360)) OFFICIAL OPEN DIVISION STANDINGS – LAKE ONTARIO PRO-AM NIAGARA JUNE 2-3, 2012 Recreation Open Division Standings – Day 1 (June 2 – by drawing only due to advisory) 1. Leviathan, Marlowe Beis, Grand Island – ($500 cash plus approx. $500 product) 2. Smells Like Salmon, Billy Parkhill, Ransomville – ($400 cash plus approx. $250 product) 3. Double R, Ray Pacuilli, North Tonawanda – ($350 cash plus approx $200 product) 4. Get Bent, Ron Slaby , Wilson – ($250 cash plus approx. $200 product) Big Fish Award – Salmon Boy, Joe Oaks, Ransomville ($125 cash plus $100 A-Tom-Mik Certificate plus Shark weight plus $100 Dreamweaver Certificate plus $75 in product) Special Award – Fish Hawk (Darryl Knoerdel) Recreation Open Division Standings – Day 2 (June 3) 1. Smells Like Salmon, Billy Parkhill, Ransomville – 52.26 points ($500 cash plus $500 product) 2. Five More Minutes, Tony Chatt, West Monroe – 50.83 points ($450 cash plus $275 product) 3. Reel Scream, Frank Schmidhamer, Beaver Falls, PA – 46.32 points ($400 cash plus $225 product) 4. Team Lund, John Baris, Fairport – 45.65 points ($250 cash plus $225 product) Big Fish Award – 10.16 pound steelhead caught by Smells Like Salmon, Bill Parkhill, Ransomville ($150 cash plus $100 gift certificate A-Tom-Mik plus $100 Dreamweaver plus $150 product) Special Award – Moor Electronics Sub Troll (Joe Oaks) Niagara Open Team # Team Name Fish Weight Score Rank 500 Lund (Sunday Only) 3 15.65 45.65 4 501 5 More Minutes 3 20.83 50.83 2 502 Smells Like Salmon 3 22.26 52.26 1 503 Dream Catcher 3 14.10 44.10 5 504 Salmon Obsession 0 0.00 0.00 8 505 Get Bent II 0 0.00 8 506 Leviathan 0 0.00 0.00 8 507 Lucky Strike 0 0.00 8 508 Reel Scream 3 16.32 46.32 3 509 Double R 0 0.00 0.00 8 510 Green Dolphin 0 0.00 8 511 Wolf Pup 0 0.00 8 512 Balls Deep 2 0 0.00 8 513 Salmon Boy 1 5.53 15.53 7 514 Tomahawk 2 14.17 34.17 6

Jason I think you spent too much time with Ray

Spike Use a Canapache, Tandem Maynards Marvel or a Killer Ghost. They work.

St Peters Outfitters in Oswego should have one.

Streamers are best in early spring. A sinking fly line works the best early in the year.. 1 to 2 colors of leadcore also works. If you are using momo you may want to add a little weight. I have Jiggers on my boat and use wire in them. Fish shallow waterto and near shore and the mouth of streams. Shallow bays are good areas. If you have enough rods in the water always run one in the prop wash this can be on a rigger set at 1 to 3 feet down 5 to 30 ft back or just a flat line skimming the top. Landlocks are not boat shy. If you catch one always turn back thru that area. Go fast and in an S pattern most days. . . I gennerally fish them 3 to 5mph. As far as streamers go bright patterns like the Canapache, Maynards Marvel These are Golden Pheasabt patterns and a Flouresant Gray Ghost are my top 3. Natural patters for me are Joes Smelt, Merideth Special, Needle Smelt,and Gray Gohst . Overcast days or choppy days seem the best. afternoons can be very productive.

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-I hav'nt been there for a long time but we always went on the Bunny Clark and did well.

Just a joke Ace I remember you saying that last year in Sodus about the drags on your copper. Your one of the best. on the lake.

If any of the amatures have doubts about fishing against the pro's take a look back in time to the 2010 Oswego Scotty. !st place team The Crazy B's were on Popeyes Charter boat but the 4 women did all of the work in the back of the boat. 2nd wasTeam Fishhawk an amature team in a 24 ft Grady. 3rd was Liguid Plumber an amature team in a small 21 ft Arima. 4th was Trouble Shooter an amature team in a 24 ft Thompson. Yes Ace was on board but they don't listen to him. 5th was team 2 fish an amature team and I believe he has a 23ft Sportcraft. He was also Thne Scotty King of the Lake in 2010. 6th Fishsanity and 7th Hideout i am not sure what the makeup of these teams are. 8th was Sea Devil a big boat and I believe they had a mixed crew aboard. 9th was Praying Mantis a pro team but I believe his boat is 25 or 26. 10th was A-TOM-MIK and I believe it was the Screamer Team. Many of the Pro teams are weekend fisherman just like the rest of us. They ussually have bigger boats more and better equiptment and a bigger team than the amatures but some amatures fish the same or more than they do. Billy v has a bigger boat but he does not fish every day and splits his time between the Finger lakes and Lake Ontario. Yankee stepped up to a 10 meter last year and before that I believe he had a 25-27 ft Bayliner and when he sold his boat last year he posted that he did an average of 15 charters a year. I believe he has done better as a pro than he did as an amature. Pete Alex has a lot of expieriance as a charter captain and a tournament fisherman and does very well but some of the amatures that do the Proams fish the lake more than he does. We have fished the same water ThrillseekerII for 2 and easilly boxed out with 18 and he struggled to box 12 in 2 days. Are the Pro's better fisherman than you? Maybe or Maybe not.The only way to find out is to fish against them. Don't worry about who you are fishing against. Take your expieriance Your confidence and your team and show everyone you can fish. Chris Pervere

I have a 22 ft Sylvan. I tried a center rigger and found that it was in the way most of the time. I Put it back on the corner and I swivel it out to the center if I use three riggers. When we go to net a fish we swivel it back to the corner to get it out of the way.

Cannonball Runner needs an observer for the Orleans proam. He has a place for you to stay if needed. Chris 413-219-9359

Jim Call me Chris 413-219-9359

I know there has been a lot of negative talk about the Proams ought I would show you the positive side of being an observer. I posted some of ithis on another thread. I was not new to fishing Lake Ontario having fished every year in Olcott from the early 80's into the mid to late 90's.I did'nt fish For approx 10 years and went back in Sept for 10 days in 2007 with my son. After the LOC. It was a great trip with loads of Steelhead out deep and Kings at the bar some days we were the only boat on the bar with non stop Kings. Doubles, triples and even a couple Quads using mostly what I had used in the 80's and 90's Mono dipsey dodgers and squid NK's with a few spin doctors and flies I picked up out there mixed in. After talking to people out there and then finding this site I realized that a lot had changed . aover the winter I checked LOU on a regular basis trying to learn a few things and noticed that people were looking for observers for Tournaments. the I hesitated at first but checked the site out for the proams. At that time they had results from several years back. I then noticed that Liquid Plumber was looking for an observer and I contacted Him. I started observing in 2008 in Niagara for Liquid Plumber and have observed in 11 out of the last 12 Proams. Del was a little worried about hiring me at first seeing I was coming 425 miles from Massachusetts. Next was the Oak with Ray K Muskey and Jason. Ray was a little worried also. I made it there and we a good day of pre fishing but Ray had a family emergency and had to return home and had to cancel out of the proam. They all felt preety bad for me but I understood the circumstances. They could have told me to go home but they paid for a room for the weekend for me to stay and payed me the observers fee we agreed on and gave me a $20.00 tip. SO I stayed the weekend and hung around at the weigh ins with the liquid Plumber team. That cost me a lot of beer. But they fed me. The only bad expieriance I had was in Oswego 2008 when I was hired by a team to be thier observer and they backed out and did'n t call me and would not answer any emails or phone calls after I had driven the 300 miles to Oswego. I found out later that they fished Big Fish Friday under another name and knew I was there but would not call back. Del bailed me out and found me a place to stay that weekend. That same weekend I hoked up with Jim thompson to be his observer in Sodus. On Tuesday Jim called me {we had never met face to face} and told me his regular observer had come home and he would not need me as an observer. He did invite me to come out and prefish with him in Sodus and he offered to let me come on the boat during the proam. I did go out and prefish and stay with Jim but Screamer needed an observer so I Observed for Joe and Dave. I have observed for several teams but mostly for Del on the Liquid Plumber. I have made a lot of friends being an observer and have since fished with a lot of them and have enjoyed every minute. I can go to almost any part of the lake and call someone to get some info. Del and I have become good friends and now I fish with him on a regular basis. This year he needed a new team member and he asked me to be part of his team so I will no longer be observing. This did creat a problem because we hav'nt found an observer for the Niagara proam yet. I believe Glen from Spoonfed could tell a similar story as I believe Richard Bullen was an observer for him last year and it seems like every time Glen post a picture now it is a picture of Richard. My son has also observed in a couple of Proams. Last year he turned 21 and observed for the Hooknup team and spent 5 days with Al in the best spot on the lake for a 21 year old he does not want to miss it this year. I believe he observed on JollyII's boat. I would like to thank all the teams that hired me in the past and the teams who's boat I observed on and I will see you all in Niagara. However anyone feels about being an observers there can be some positive outcomes and I would like everyone that is considering observing in one of these events to do it and hope that it turns out as good as it has for me. I had a couple of bumps along the way but it has been a very positive expieriance for me. Chris