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Cornelius, I'm not going to get on your case too hard about this, but really? The quote comes from a passage in Jefferson's "Legal Commonplace" book. Sorry for the honest mistake. It alarms me that you are very misleading when you suggest that Jefferson called it a "false idea of utility". If one were to read the whole note, they would not conclude this sentiment overall, but only with regard to a principal source of errors and injustice. Jefferson goes on to agree with the sentiment: "It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons." Please, there is no need to be inflammatory, and certainly no need to use ignorance as a foundation for an argument for discrediting the "gun lobby". You are not debating the gun lobby here anyway, you are debating your neighbors. Please let us know besides rhetoric, what facts you have to back up your position? The whole context of Jefferson's note: "A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniencies, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, who dares say to reason, 'Be thou a slave;' who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it. The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons."

Hairy meat is the worst.

I like how the well thought out responses to this post are pro-gun, and the intelligible posts are anti-gun. Sammy got it right. Civil rights are not bestowed by a government. Even if they were, no matter how hard you try- you cannot be successful in legislating morality. Stop being ignorant. We don't need more than 7 rounds for hunting, target shooting, etc. We need more than 7 rounds because the second amendment is the one that guarantees that this country will always be of, by, and for the people. The ultimate redress of grievances. aka... AMERICA. It's not like this is a new argument. “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.†― Thomas Jefferson

wind was SW Saturday eve for sure

Thanks for being honest about the skunk, Rick! Goes to show that it can even happen to the best of them!

Makes sense

Small wiring causes voltage drop, so if your wiring is in fact too small your motors have to draw more current in order to operate. This can cause an overheating scenario.

Great report - Glad the pre-dawn treated you well as a reward for getting up so early. There was actually a full moon on Sunday morning as well on sliver fox... just ask keith.

Beautiful day to be out though Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Ended up 5 for 8 good morning! Hot was 12 in green glow paddle with green glow fly Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Lake Ontario United mobile app

20# king 60 down 200 fow. Green paggle and fly Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Anyone doing anything in close? Blank screen 130.. Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Great Jude!

sushi on the boat?

check out the new raytheon dragonfly - pretty cost effective chirp