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In case anyone didn't have a look at the link http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/ ... velopment/ this is another version of the story American Bird Conservancy Response to Speaker Gingrich's Statement on Energy Industry Killing of Migratory Birds http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/ ... 20223.html "For example, since the early 1980s, the wind turbines at Altamont Pass are estimated to have killed 2,000 or more Golden Eagles -- one of our most iconic birds. And yet not a single wind company has been prosecuted for MBTA violations." Oil Companies Prosecuted for Avian Deaths but Wind Companies Kill Birds With Impunity http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/ ... 10907.html "(September 7, 2011) The United States Attorney in North Dakota has charged seven oil companies in seven separate cases with violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act for the illegal killing of 28 migratory birds. Yet, American Bird Conservancy – the nation’s leading bird conservation organization – reports that the wind industry, despite killing more than 400,000 birds annually, has yet to face a single charge." ABC uses Fish and Wildlife Service numbers which are extremely conservative

Thanks to all who fought this issue. We can cross our fingers that the wind turbine issue in the Great Lakes will soon be permenently dead considering the recent news! U.S. wind-farm boom set to bust in 2013 as Obama tax breaks end http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-2 ... s-end.html The companies below are the world's largest wind turbine companies. They have all recently restructured and reorganized to prepare for bankruptcy. http://www.thegwpf.org/international-ne ... in-us.html< br /> “Vestas Wind Systems A/S, the world’s biggest wind turbine maker, said it will halt production at one factory and cut 2,335 jobs amounting to 10 percent of its staff as it tries to become more competitive with Chinese suppliers. The changes are aimed at saving more than 150 million euros ($191 million) by the end of 2012, the company based in Aarhus, Denmark, said in a statement today. Vestas said another 1,600 posts in the U.S. are at risk as a tax credit supporting the industry expires at year-end. Vestas slashed 3,000 jobs in October 2010, and 1,900 in April 2009.†http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/12/2 ... B520111222 HONG KONG, Dec 22 (Reuters) – Huge overcapacity and weak demand mean Chinese wind turbine makers, among the world’s largest, are set for lower revenue and profits for at least the next two years. Earnings at several firms nearly halved in the first half of this year. “The worst isn’t over for these guys,†said Min Li, head of alternative energy at Yuanta Securities. “Massive oversupply and a slowdown in wind turbine orders will keep margins depressed for a couple more years.â€

Eastern Ont. offshore wind farm signs turbine deal http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/ ... ntoNewHome BURLINGTON, Ont. — Windstream Wolfe Island Shoals has signed a deal with Siemens Canada to supply up to 130 turbines for a 300-megawatt offshore wind power project on Lake Ontario. Bill Smith of Siemens Canada said the company is looking forward to contributing to the development of Canada's "first offshore wind project." Kingston City council supports wind project http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3415839 City council's support for a consortium that wants to build and install 100 wind turbines in the Wolfe Island shoals is not going over well with some island residents. At its Tuesday meeting, council voted to endorse the new consortium, which includes the City of Hamilton and Burlington-based Windstream Energy Inc. In 2010, Windstream received a Feed-In Tariff contract from the Ontario Power Authority to build a 300-megawatt project on the shoals. It was the first offshore project in the province to get a contract. Just to be clear this is not a done deal yet.

Hey Rolmops: I should have put this stuff in with the geothermal info. Nuclear fusion is another good possiblity for the future. All nuclear reactions produce radioactive waste but the fusion process is far less than today's reactors. nuclear fission - splitting the atom, uranium, all modern reactors today are fission nuclear fusion – putting atoms together http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER ITER (originally an acronym of International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) is an international nuclear fusion research and engineering project, which is currently building the world's largest and most advanced experimental tokamak nuclear fusion reactor at Cadarache in the south of France.[1] The ITER project aims to make the long-awaited transition from experimental studies of plasma physics to full-scale electricity-producing fusion power plants. The machine is expected to demonstrate the principle of getting more energy out of the fusion process than is used to initiate it, something that has not been achieved with previous fusion reactors. Construction of the facility began in 2007, and the first plasma is expected in 2019.[6] When ITER becomes operational, it will become the largest magnetic confinement plasma physics experiment in use, surpassing the Joint European Torus. The first commercial demonstration fusion power plant, named DEMO, is proposed to follow on from the ITER project to bring fusion energy to the commercial market.[7] Furthermore, a fusion reactor would produce virtually no CO2 or other atmospheric pollutants, and its other waste products would be very short-lived compared to those produced by conventional nuclear reactors.

Keep the @#$% things out of Lake Michigan too. All it will take is one to go in somewhere and we all know what happens next. Fortunately they don't what them in Lake Michigan either. http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/inde ... phati.html Oceana County planners emphatic: No wind turbines on Lake Michigan "It is not clear whether Scandia just did not do their research or they were not being factual with the commission and the public," I don’t believe it, the wind company lied?(sarcasm)

This guy from Japan is making a claim that is impossible. There is only a certain amount of energy available from the wind. His claim is; he is going to extract more energy than is available. It does not matter what kind of equipment is invented it is impossible. I see in the little picture all turbines are built side by side on the barges. With a proper wind farm design the turbines are 10 – 25 times the rotor diameter for spacing between turbines. So they do not interfere with the wind flow for the other turbines. Which also makes me suspicious. Corporate welfare payments Whenever the government starts throwing around money like this all the scum of the earth get in line to get their hands on it. They will lie, cheat, steal, do anything they have to get it. It doesn’t matter which country. It happens all over the world. They will dream up any kind of scam to get the money. They don’t care about anything else. I think most people want to help out with pollution and reducing energy consumption. There have been some state programs such as the turn in your old appliances for a rebate off of a new, more energy efficient model. These are actually really good programs. They actually work. They are economically sensible and they create jobs. But they don’t get votes for the politicians so they aren’t used very often. Cars and trucks contribute around 60% to all pollution problems. But no politicians will ever dare go after peoples cars so nothing will ever happen with that. The politicians start these stupid windmill and solar panel projects for votes and campaign contributions. Nothing useful is ever accomplished. We all hope for something better in the future. This link shows one possibility. It is legitimate and actually works. http://www.potterdrilling.com/geothermal-energy/egs/

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/09/wind-lens/ New Japanese Wind Turbine Triples Power Output Without Increasing Size They have a nice sounding story. Unfortunately the laws of physics say otherwise. Wind turbines are close to their limits now and it is impossible for that to change. Betz Law - Law not theory http://www.symscape.com/blog/virtual-wi ... s-betz-law Given the technological sophistication of today's wind turbines, it's quite humbling to think that their theoretical maximum efficiency was derived by wind turbine pioneer Albert Betz in 1920. Betz' Law, as it is now known, is a relatively simple proof that the maximum efficiency of a wind turbine, irrespective of its design, cannot exceed 59%. Still, some believe laws are there to be broken - at least in the virtual simulation world. Reality Check CAE tools are only as good as the engineers and researchers that know when and where to apply them. Good practitioners know that when a simulation contradicts a well-proven law, such as conservation of energy, or in this case Betz' Law, there is likely a problem with their simulation and not vice-versa. Lesson So the lesson here is that you need to know your domain prior to picking up your CAE tool and not vice-versa. Then, when you find a simulation result that contradicts a physical law, you'll know it for what it is: a revolution in physics, or, most likely, a simple modeling mistake.

An interesting report from the Netherlands "A 300 MW nameplate windpark near Schiphol on August 28, 2011, a normal windy day, during 21,5 h would have increased the amount of natural gas needed for the electricity production of 500 MW with 47150 m3 gas. This would have caused an extra emission of 117,9 ton CO2 into the atmosphere. The wind projects do not fulfill 'sustainable' objectives. They cost more fuel than they save and they cause no CO2 saving, in the contrary they increase our environmental 'foot print'. A decision to invest thousands of millions Euros in the construction of wind developments 'to save fossil fuel and to reduce CO2 emission' is irresponsible. There are no savings, THERE IS LOSS! We do not consider it likely that more knowledge of the factors influencing the present outcomes would change our results appreciably. " http://www.clepair.net/windSchiphol.html From Ireland as well http://www.clepair.net/IerlandUdo.html