Thanks everyone, I fish every weekend weather allows and have no issues cranking them up. I was planning on upgrading my manuals this year already I broke a housing on one at the end of the year . As far as the money part I've learned time and time again buy once cry once. I agree that it could be more convenient The only time I got sick of cranking the ball up was the first time we targeted lakers lol In regards to battery draining how bad is it? I would wire them off my main and my kicker dose not charge it. Would it be a matter of cranking the main motor a couple times a day or do they flat out kill batteries? Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United