Sk8man

Dry for sure. If the grease is used the disks usually end up sticking together and it defeats the purpose of the drags (slippage)

The deficiency is result of the enzyme thiaminase which when present does inhibit reproduction in trout and salmon. My hunch is that the problem wasn't as pronounced when there were good levels of rainbow smelt available in the lakes that provided an ample supply of nutrients (despite not being as rich in oil or calories) as alewives which originally were also salt water bait fish. I think they are thought to have migrated up the Hudson to the St. Lawrence into Lake Ontario and then into the other Great Lakes from there through the Welland Canal. The Cayuga and Seneca Fingers are connected to Lake Ontario by the Seneca River chain of water through Cross Lake etc. and locals around here have thought the alewives came via that route.....if anyone knows differently for sure feel free to correct me.

Dre - To better answer your question....I had occasion to go by there this afternoon and there is snow covered ice extending to about the north edge of the Sawmill restaurant over to the east side of the lake (irregular edge) and the parking lot hasn't been plowed either.

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Thanks....that has been happening since the1960's that I know of.....

Someone reported a person going through the ice out there so I guess it is a safe assumption that the launch is frozen in now....the Onanda launch was open in late November though

Welcome to LOU! By any chance did that laker come on a Rooster Tail spinner? Nice going.....

Is it possible that it was "spillage" somewhere on the motor after running the stuff through and then "dripped down" with time? I'd clear the stuff away and then placefresh snow there and see if it continues...and see if you can better identify where it is coming from...the prop housing?

I'd give it a bit more time because of the snow coverage. There are three guys out on Honeoye out from Trident Marine right now but I wouldn't be surprised if the fire department is called out to extract them.....it can be tree inches in one place and 1 inch in another a short distance away and you'd never know it with the snow coverage...until it is too late. Think I'll stick to painting jigs for a couple days....

Been wondering what you've been up to Nick ...haven't heard anything in awhile ... I think you'll be a happy camper though to have a "like new" engine after the rebuild. I'm hoping to have my 9.9 gone over during the winter "doldrums" too....just wish the ice fishing would start up soon...good luck with things Nick. Les

Today there was some ice starting at the north end of Canandaigua between Kershaw and Seager's and around Squaw Island (out to the south about 60ft or so) but it looks as though it will be awhile for any significant ice at the north end. The bubbler near the Canandaigua Lady reminded me of another caution: the currents from bubblers can circulate outward from their origin for large distances under what seems like good ice (undercuts it)....until you step on it.....a lesson that cost my son and I our cell phones last year on Honeoye

I've used all sorts of Seth Greens but for many years I have used the old tried and true 6 and 6 1/2 ft. solid glass boat rods some with all rollers and some with just roller tips. I run Penn #309's with ss 7 strand wire on them from 30-60 lb test (the heavier wire for wide spaced rollers so the wire doesn't go over the edge of the roller tips that have with 30 lb mono and also 50 lb braid rig lines. There are many different setups possible for all of it. When I first started out I used a big wheel like thing and rolled up all my leaders right onto it and although it had a primitive drag I mainly used it by hand. For the past 30 years or so I have used small pieces of styrofoam to roll up each leader separately and I keep spoons right on them and change as desired. I run a 2 pound. sinker suspended about 20 inches - about 2 ft or so from a large three-way swivel. I use both fluoro and mono leaders depending on circumstances usually about 12-18 ft. long (the shorter in cold weather). I use bead chains spaced about 12-24 ft apart on the rig lines and spring clips are at the end of each leader to fasten it to the bead chain. I keep extra sets of leaders all set to go int he boat so if anything happens I can instantly re rig without tying anything. I think there was a thread awhile here back that discussed Seth Green rigs in some detail. Here is one of the Seth Green (Thermocline) rods to get an idea of it: Here is a close up of the roller tip and guides: Here are the (from left to right) Spring clips with beads to assist in cold weather in handlingin them (on end of leaders with ball bearing swivel at other end with lure), bead chains, three-way swivel: Here is the Penn #309 with wire and mono with bead chains and note the Power handle on the reel VERY handy Here are the fluoro leaders on styrofoam (without lures): I can't draw for s..t but here is a basic set up if you can read it from the pic

Jack....it is a total of 15 but in the old days you could legally run 15 lures for each rod (e.g. Seth Greens if single hooks used) and I used to have 62 lures in the water at the same time sometimes (e.g derbies)(my son fished with me) Four Seth greens each with 15 singles and two top lines or dipseys from the outriggers. It was when things were tough on Seneca took an average of 6-8 hrs per fish back then because of lamprey problem and insufficient stocking.

Before the snow I thought we had a good chance with the low temps but I think you are right Zack....

You may have tapped into my unconscious Jack ......more hooks and more lures but since the law changed only 5 per rod anyway now but....3 rods is a real bonus I can live with....

Honeoye has had ice for the past few days but not sure how thick and again the snow will probably slow down the formation of it (insulate things) on any body of water. First and last ice is always the most dangerous....(speaking from experience). A lot of people don't realize that even if you are able to get yourself out....hypothermia can kill you anyway and with frigid temperatures and wind it only takes a very short time despite what some videos suggest....especially when you factor in wind and being way out on the ice. Your legs and arms become numb very quickly and you are unable to move on your own. I'm anxious to get into the ice fishing season too but DON'T TAKE ANY CHANCES FOLKS (wait for safe ice)

Yeah I guess we do really get into it don't we? What I found a long time ago is that the original Sutton trebles will bend when a good sized fish clamps down on them (or maybe when trying to"horse" them a bit ) and I lost some fish because of it (hooks were bent when I reeled in). I changed over and it immediately solved the problem...very few fish lost over the years and nearly always a very solid hook up without physically setting the hook etc. I have had solid trebles taken off other lures too and I use them to tie my home made trolling flies. I prefer hardened singles on all spoons. The hardened trebles don't have the bending problem but I am convinced that when they are in the boney structure of the fishes mouth the individual hooks may work against each other leading to greater loss of fish. I know others may look at it differently but that is my take on it. The trebles on the trolling flies are often in the fishes throat and are usually being trolled slower so I think the problem is reduced in that instance. Another huge reason for using singles is that I release most of the trout I catch - especially big ones and the singles are much easier to do this with and they are much friendlier in the net with kings. Yes the Siwash hooks will close and stay closed with pliers just make sure you close the curl as fully as possible so it isn't open much if at all to avoid it catcing on other lines etc.

Jack - The trebles that came stock with the Sutton's sucked...they are easily bendable I changed over (replaced) hundreds to single1/0, 2/0 and3/0 single stainless steel triple X or 5x (hardened) Mustad Siwash Salmon hooks early on and still continue to do so with nearly all my spoons. Saved the solid rings on them and cut the trebles with wire cutters and tossed them in the trash inside boxes. Regarding the flashers or Spin Docs anything green, monkey puke, or Wonderbread will do the trick in the Fingers.....Lake O there are many additional ones that work.