Sk8man

I know it I went down to the launch ramp here on Canandaigua and the ramp is still frozen but the channel is open water and everything is gone from the lake itself (at the north end at least). I'm anxious to hear how the guys make out at the south end of Seneca today.Still a few geese around here too. If you see Bobby tell him I said "hi" will you Mike?

If you have the choice of two I'd do one of each as they each have their strengths and weaknesses. If only one probably the copper considering the "fleas" on both Seneca and Ontario and greater depth fishing. Les

It is true that if you run the copper conventionally (e.g. dedicated section (s) with spliced in segments) you don't need a linecounter. But if you should use one for a "Seneca rig" (for bottom fishing) however where you have 600 ft of copper without the segments and use only portions of copper(depending on depth) and fish mainly the bottom using a roller tipped rod it can come in handy and it doesn't really matter how accurate it is depth wise because you only use it to return to the same "relative" number. I also have sections marked at 50 ft intervals with small ties of red yarn glued on to mark them for reference and they go through the eyes and roller fine.

The Clarion has a good retrieve rate but no line counter and if you decide to go with the Berkley Line Counter you will have to crank down the tension real good to keep the braided copper from popping out of it with any tension on the wire.

Mike, Rob's advice is dead on. The Clarion is a real good choice for copper and for Lake O. If it was just for Seneca you could go "lighter" but because you do both it would be a good rig. You might want to carefully consider running the copper off the boards rather than down the chute as with the 500 especially it could easily tangle up in your other stuff. I know a lot of guys don't want to mess with weights but sometimes it is easier to have shorter section of copper (e.g. 250 or 300 with section of mono or braid fused in for the release) for all around use and then if you want to go deeper for the kings (e.g. summer) add inline weights which you can adjust to conditions above the leader with the boards once you get the feel of things. Make sure you get power handles for the Clarions too (or any other reel for that matter) and especially if you decide to go with 500 ft.....makes life a lot easier (despite the good retrieval rate of the Clarion). I only use my copper on Seneca so I have a totally different approach (more like pulling copper but with a short roller rod with 600 ft. and primarily bottom oriented). As far as the copper itself because you fish both Lake O and Seneca I'd go with the 45 lb braided copper even though it is not quite as easy to handle as the 30 but with the kings it is a good choice. Les

Your point is well taken....and the geese spend a lot more time on the golf courses than the rest of us too

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Have a great day Scott....HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

I'm not sure that is correct.....truly migratory birds spend the winter in warmer latitudes and then return in the Spring....crows are here year round but move large distances in search of a variety of food sources.

Yeah now you need one in NY and Mass too as of a few years ago.

They have been working their way west for quite a while now Syracuse had them bad and hired specialists to deal with them and I believe Auburn did at one point as well. They started showing up in Geneva after that and since last year have been showing up in some numbers here in Canandaigua. When I was a kid we used to hunt them in wooded areas where we had cover but out where I live (3 miles outside of town) it's new developments without mature trees so nearly impossible to get them as they are extremely wary and vigilant. I can't use any "big stuff" because of the 500 ft. from dwelling regulation but I have a nicely sighted in scoped pellet gun (and ballistic pellets)....problem is....as soon as I touch the door knob the wary SOB's take off ....and the worst part is they sound like they are laughing when they go

Hope to see you one of these days soon Fishy!

Hey Fishy, What type of hours etc. do you have and maybe some directions to your location might be helpful....I know I'm up for a visit as soon as I hear there is safe ice at the north end there.

Yeah especially with shorts on and a short sleeve shirt and flip flops.....and...no bug spray or fly swatter

It's fine....I've had some on mine for well over 25 years if that says anything