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for sale : usa Cannon Uni-Troll 10 STX
Fat Trout replied to Fat Trout's topic in Classifieds - Buy, Sell, Trade or Rent
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I never put a spoon behind a flasher....but you can. People do.... I just never do. Flashers are for flies and meat (for me). To avoid tangles. Keep the boat going straight when setting and be careful when putting flashers down into a spread. In a 4 rigger spread I put flashers on the outside riggers. On the 2 riggers on the same side with one set deeper than the other I try not to switch depths (passing one by the other) without pulling and resetting one. Depends on your boat width but you see the idea.
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Water is crystal clear. I'd recommend running further back to get away from the hardware. 50' is about my minimum for spoons. For flasher rigs 15 is my minimum and 30-35 my max. lots of variables but you aren't going to spook fish more by being away from the rigger cable & balls but you can spook 'em by being too close.
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WTB - Flasher Unit for Ice Fishing
Fat Trout replied to EsoxAC3's topic in Classifieds - Buy, Sell, Trade or Rent
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for sale : usa Cannon Uni-Troll 10 STX
Fat Trout replied to Fat Trout's topic in Classifieds - Buy, Sell, Trade or Rent
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It may not matter a hill of beans, but I was pleased with this recent extended lake flip as my thinking is it will only help to further warm the overall bulk temp of Lake O's water. In my thinking that could be the first step (along with a decent winter) that may help to put a good kick into next years Alewife numbers.
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Fished Lake Winnepesaukee one year, trolling live bait during their derby. We fed out 2 lines 150 back.....the line, the bait...the whole thing was out of the water in a big arc going UP. Was also able to get a little arc of blue putting my finger close to the hook holder above the grip. No lightning strikes but boy it was funky and storms were in the area.
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Mexico ninemile
Fat Trout replied to freespirit1's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
The other big thing that can't be avoided is how the zebra mussels cleared up the lake. That extra clarity really makes a difference in getting bites! I hate to be that guy but "I remember when" you couldn't see a downrigger ball after you sent it down 5 feet lol -
Mexico ninemile
Fat Trout replied to freespirit1's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
OK....google finally did me right. I was a little low for the 80's and through 1992. "Stocking numbers of Chinook salmon in Lake Ontario peaked in 1984 at 4.2 million fish and ranged from 3.2 million to 3.6 million annually from 1984 to 1992. From 1994-1996, stocking ranged from 1.5-1.7 million fish and from 1997-1999 stocking ranged from 2.0-2.2 million fish (Mills 2003)." Here's the link. Not a fun chart like I was hoping for but some good info. I was generally going on memory on stocking #'s and some info found and recalled about 1995-1996 timeframe when the crap hit the fan in Michigan. 2.7 million I found as a quote in something for 1995. http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/GreatLakes/FactSheet.aspx?NoCache=1%2F10%2F2013+3%3A54%3A45+PM&SpeciesID=920&State=&HUCNumber=4090002 -
Mexico ninemile
Fat Trout replied to freespirit1's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
Before 1996 the salmon river (main hatchery river) would go down to 50 cubic feet per second of flow....or less during the summer. During salmon season they would yo-yo it from 1500 cubic feet down to 100....power generation thinking, not actual river management. Fish would get stranded in the extreme. In spring / summer fry would get stranded and/or overheated. In 1996 after some agreements with then Niagra Mohawk (now Brookfield Power). they made adjustments to the equipment to allow for minimum summer base flows of 185cfs in the summer + 3 or 4 weekends where they would bump the river up for kayakers & other users (provided there was enough water in the reservoir). In addition they had "in season" agreement for 285CFS minimum. The yo-yo'ing cut back significantly (compared to prior). The (somewhat) stabilized system allowed for actual natural reproduction....granted, good years vs bad years depending on actual weather conditions but at least there was a chance where before the summer heat and piss trickle nuked whatever managed to survive and hatch. I fish the river a fair amount...a few years ago we were getting salmon returns that could be compared as hatchery or natural due to a fin clipping program they did for a few years. I think around 4 years ago it was a really good year but the amazing thing was the endless # of salmon that came in from mid august through mid sept. to the river were 90% unclipped. Seemed like the early fish were the naturals to some degree. Either way, it made the "natural" fish very noticable vs the hatchery fish. -
Mexico ninemile
Fat Trout replied to freespirit1's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
Unfortunately 5-8 million didn't happen in the 90's in NY. You compared against the 1.8 for NY now so thats what I assume you mean. I fished then, would have been nice. 2.7 million in 1995. cut down to just over a million in 1996 after Michigan's first crash. brought back up later in the 1990's but not exceeding 2 million. Base water flows in 1996 started the natural reproduction now estimated at a number equal to 50% of the stocking total. -
Mexico ninemile
Fat Trout replied to freespirit1's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
With the exception of the fact that the Salmon river is where the hatchery is (drawing the late summer / fall kings)......Mexico Bay has always been and will always be a crap shoot with a lot of head scratching on where the fish are. Some springs, the wheel of fortune that are the lake currents deliver a bunch of bait and fish with it in the spring. Otherwise yeah I give it to the western ports for consistency. -
for sale : usa Cannon Uni-Troll 10 STX
Fat Trout posted a topic in Classifieds - Buy, Sell, Trade or Rent
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The end of the side compartment can be pulled out. Behind that are a couple of pieces of styrofoam that can be pulled out. At that point you can reach back. You'll probably need someone to help from the top while your reaching in. There are wires on the driver side but you can reach in and keep them out of the way. Its a **** I'm not gonna lie....but its doable. Just be prepared for some cursing.
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Well your in luck. I have the same boat and put rails on the back. Mine are Cisco but same thing really. My rails are way shorter than yours....24" I think. I also have them mounted further back. Far enough back that most or all of the rail is behind where the side compartment door is. Looking at your picture and your rail setup....thats your problem I think. You have long rails and the downrigger is in the area where the compartment door is. that makes the whole thing less stable right there. Attached is a pick I had on my phone. You can see the downriggers and a rod holder just behind the downriggers. I've run them with 12 and 16# balls like you see there with no flex issues. I also have large fender washers underneath. I'll bet you can still have the long rails. Just put the riggers toward the very back and not up the side. I hope this helps.
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Mexico ninemile
Fat Trout replied to freespirit1's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
I've been fishing out of Mexico for a Looong time. It has always been spotty compared to the rest of the lake. Some years better than others. Reasons are various and many already mentioned. Primary thing it has going for it is the salmon river and staging fish coming into the bay. -
Cannon Mag 10's started acting up?
Fat Trout replied to lakertaker97's topic in Open Lake Discussion
I don't know how you are connected to your battery. But check for corrosion at any ring terminals on the battery. A little sandpaper might fix you up. Also on the quick connects between downrigger and power source (assuming you have those 2 prong connections). Could be a loose terminal too. Had that with my truck once. made things haywire. -
Its too bat that a lot of people don't understand that If you're running > 300 behind your boat there is a responsibility that is on you too as an operator. Pick your conditions for running the big stuff and understand the risks.
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where are the salmon
Fat Trout replied to Jose's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
I just have to respectfully add that that the "cooler take" recreational and charter is taking from a smaller percentage which are those fish who passed all of the predation and other issues and became viable to catch and keep. Not 70,000 out of millions but something smaller. I remember a thread on here a few months back, perhaps last fall where there was a pounding focus on tributary impact with browns. Lake guys pointing out the trib impact. These numbers are what keep us guessing. Be it browns, kings, steelies or lakers, dead fish don't get caught again. I think everyone can agree on that