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I guess what I was referring to may surprise some folks but there is actually no such thing as color itself. It is merely the eye/brain interpretation of given wavelengths on the electromagnetic spectrum and in humans for example it is very subjective and highly dependent on labeling. There are also physical dimensions that come into play as in color blindness for certain colors or irregularities in the cones present in an individuals eye causing them to see no color or perhaps fragmented color (e.g. on a color blindness test they may see a 3 instead of an 8 because of a cone "defect". Colors are also described differently by different cultures for example. I know there are a lot of opinions out there about color theory and a lot of assumptions about what fish in particular respond to but this is exactly what I am noting here is that the inferences that are made regarding fish behavior in response to different wavelengths of color are just that.....inferences probably based on preference judgments which in and of themselves may be problematic as we can't actually interview the subjects regarding specifics and we are limited to just the gross behavioral response actions which may be more complicated than we think. The video above is very interesting and it should get us thinking but there are inherent problems with making hard fast conclusions at this point about what is going on there. As in magic tricks things seen by the naked eye events are tricky enough directly observed but when you introduce something like a cameras etc. you have to remember you are levels removed from the actual situation itself as Gator noted.
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Nice going Brad and good report. Folks who might be relatively new to this sport (trolling) can certainly benefit from your comments and regardless of experience level people can learn from each other much better via actual experience out there. Reading stuff is nice but a lot of things are much better understood and incorporated by watching others who are very capable and asking questions as you mentioned and sometimes folks are either too shy, embarrassed, or reluctant to ask the critical questions. Nick has a great grasp of this stuff and certainly hasthe range of equipment available so that people can see exactly how stuff operates and so does Sean Brown down at that end of the lake. Thye are bot very personable guys and are generous with their information. Going out there with highly competent experienced captains is like taking a real good 'hands on" course in something and sometimes folks grumble about money issues, but then turn around and spend twice as much on some marginal online course or workshop or something . Spending a few bucks accelerating your learning curve in a sport that you love is "priceless" just as is your time. Brad give Dutch my best regards . Les
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Nice going Nick and Theresa . We didn't do nearly as well out of Hughes in the late afternoon and early evening in the rough water. The underwater currents there were terrible and tough to run things the way we wanted. Managed a small 9 lb king, 10 lb laker and 7-8 lb brown and those were the only hits all down about 125 over 140. Never marked a fish above 70 ft down most hugging bottom.
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The one question I always have regarding the ability to see color at depth is how do we know what the fish actually sees? We seem to base our opinions on what humans appear to see and given different eye structure I can't help but wonder if we are may be inferring or assuming some things that might not be accurate.
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Although the 40 lb Big Game may work I don't think really there are any "fool proof" solutions as I have seen huge deposits of fleas on even thicker lines and downrigger cable as well clogged so bad it couldn't be retrieved. There are different varieties of fleas which have slightly different habits and "abilities" to cling. A lot of times folks believe that they are using things that fully work until they encounter the densities I am referring to. The fleas are distributed differently indifferent sections of bodies of water and at different levels or stratifications so that when your line is in a vertical position and you happen to encounter them in clusters the problem varies in severity from none to fully loaded lines.
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They cluster on it and prevent the line from coming through the tip and eyelets of the rod. THe 30 lb Blood Run Sea Flee is one of the few lines that seems to largely minimize this and previously Cortland Line company made a line called Flea Flicker that also did the job fairly well. Some folks use standard line at 30 lb test (e.g. Berkeley Big Game). The reason for the 30 lb test if that the larger diameter is though to keep the fleas from adhering well to the line. The Sea Flee also has a rather slick coating which helps shed the fleas. The line also has considerable stretch so it takes a little getting used to on downriggers etc.but it is well worth using. I use a 20 lb Seagaur fluoro leader for Ontario and 12 lb for the Finger Lakes.
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Just an FYI Nick the video works fine from Tapatalk on my Android Smartphone . Looks as though the download button on Vimeo has to be clicked on first to actually activate the PLAY function on the player otherwise it just displays as though it is loading the file so if folks are on the computer I think they can see the video OK if they click on that download button.
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Here is an example of what the Spin-N-Glow looks like: There are many colors and some different sizes ans wing materials to choose from and different ways they can be set up. If you are interested in them Gambler on here makes the best proven setups already rigged from a very competent fisherman so that is the way to go if you are interested. The one pictured here is just the basic Spin N Glow
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Birthday Trip
Sk8man replied to dick black's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
Nice going Dick and company. You sure picked a the right charter. Certainly one of the best on this side of Lake O and is the first one I recommend when folks ask. If the Hajecki's aren't into them nobody is. -
Sorry if my wording sounded wrong I sure wasn't intentionally putting you down or anything (e.g. "get by") and I understand your dilemma too. Maybe giving Airmar tech dept a call would put you on the right path. They are very saavy and may have suggestions for you. Airmar transducers are very good quality and if you can match up either way I think you'll be a happy camper. Good luck with it.
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I hear you on the traffic tomorrow. Canandaigua will be a nightmare with all the rec boaters and partiers out at the north end and then everyone will try to come in the channel at the last moment and then folks will be putting their canvas down and sorting out their stuff right in the middle of the launch while folks are backed up in the channel out to the lake (don't ask me why I know this). Guess it will be worth waiting until later in the week here
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I hate being redundant in my comment but you really need a new transducer the old Airmar will not be compatible with the si for starters. Airmar transducers are the wya to go but you always need the right one for the unit itself depending on the functions of the unit and the specific frequency. The right transducer is critical and is not something you "try to get by" with.
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It will depend on a few things: 1. The specific khz designation of the transducer and the unit - they have to match 2. The plug fitting on the end of the transducer cord has to be the right one for the unit. 3. Condition of the existing transducer - A transducer that old may be compromised in some way (e.g. may be less sensitive than required by the new unit). Your best bet is to get a new matched transducer for the new unit and properly install it or have it installed for the best result.
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You can reach him on here Mike - flytying (Carl)
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Sounds like some encouraging signs regarding Seneca. Sweet landlocks guys.
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Looking for a cottage with a dock Sodus Bay
Sk8man replied to Gill-T's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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There are several methods but I used to anchor in anywhere from 75 to 150 ft of water often near drop-offs at the south end of the lake just before dark and use a light version Seth Green rig (usually two of them) (3 leader instead of 5 for simplicity) with a 20 lb test mainline and bead chains placed every 20 ft with 10 ft. long 10 -12 lb test leaders (mono back then now I'd use fluoro) and a 16 oz. sinker and LIVE sawbellies that I would catch by hanging two Coleman lanterns suspended from the 4 ft booms of my Riviera downriggers turned sideways in the boat on each side. I staggered the two rigs so they were at different depths. This would bring bait up to the surface (sawbellies) after the bugs that would be attracted to the light and I'd use a smelt net to catch my bait. Often I'd set out a spinning rod with a bobber and cast it out away from the other line (s) and just let the bait swim around below the surface often big rainbows would hit that rig. the bait on the Seth Green would swim around at different depths and get hit and you take the leaders off one at a time to get to the one with the fish. Sometimes when gathering the bait large fish could be seen coming out of the depths after it.... very eerie appearance with big lakers or browns looking like "Jaws" Night fishing is a VERY different experience from other fishing...it can be very disorienting especially when people go to bed in cottages along the shorelines and turn their lights out and you have few if any landmarks to go by ....not so bad on Canandaigua as it is a small body but on Seneca it was a different ballgame and Keuka because of the "Y" nature of it. There is no other like the experience of starting to nod off in the early morning hours in nearly total darkness and waking up to the sound of your drag screaming out with a huge rainbow or brown on the other end and you can't see where the line is going and you hoped it wouldn't get into the anchor rope (sometimes extended 300 ft ). . Nowadays you have LED lighting etc in boats but back then you had to watch running down your battery out there so no lights other than navigation lights or flashlights. There was a whole contingent of fishermen out there back then (largely out of what was Clark's Marina then. There may be a few guys on here that remember those times and were also out there . I know the Rainbow Kid was one of them as we have talked about it. Many of those fishermen (guys like John Roides and John Oravec) ended up as charter guys on Lake O when the salmon were introduced and that fishing started to take off.
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The heavy boat traffic after 10 AM eeeven many week days doesn't help matters either and everyone comes in at the same time in the evening so the launch is a zoo too....sure loses some of its appeal at this time of the year. it is one of the most densely used recreational lakes around. Probably one of the reasons night fishing was so successful in the past.





