Ray4852

no matter what happens some of us wont like the changes they make, that's life. The one thing I know. every time they make a major improvement like this. its going to cost more money to enjoy what we like to do.

save your money. you can see the thermocline on your fish finder.

I checked out the marina last week. its looking good. I talked to somebody and ask him when will we be able to launch our boats. He didn't know. I ask someone else and he said late May or June. my guess who knows. I will just have to use the state park up north to launch. This place needs a lot of work to get it done by may.

Nice looking Victrola. I bet you got it from the old timer from Penn yan. I had one of those automatic reels. I sold it cheap to an old timer at the launch ramp. If you break the spring on the Victrola. its very hard to fix. two turns on the handle is all i need to keen tension on the spring all season.

finger lakes and lake Ontario are two different fisheries, finger lakes are the mother fishery. everything started here. lake Ontario fishery high tech fishery. they took finger lakes techniques and made fishing better. They changed our way how to fish with bait, those gang hooks a big joke compared to what we have today. most of our spoons came from our state, most of those flutter spoons you see in the book develop for our finger lakes. you notice most of them are all thin metal with copper or silver plated to troll at slower speeds. lake Ontario develop there own spoons because those finger lake ones didn't hold up to well with bigger fish. they made heavier metal ones that you can troll up to 5 mph. cant do it with the finger lake ones. night fishing never got started up there. finger lakes very popular. seth green rig started here too. techniques today made the meat rig obsolete. some guys still use it. rods and reels are much better today. better wire line and copper also. copper fishing started here too. our tackle shops sold it very cheap compared to what we have to pay today. again we can thank our capitalism system built around the little guy. we don't have it no more. that Victrola man made using his brains to make a nice fishing reel. today we have our jiggers that fish with modern fish finders that started here too. jig fishing will get better because you don't have to pay a lot of money to fish. I can go on and on. it started right here.

I meet Bernie at Orson marine once just outside of Hamburg. He bought most of his boating equipment from Orson marine. back in the early 70s when Seneca lake trout fishery was almost destroyed by the lamprey. he moved up to lake Ontario to fish that fishery that started to make a comeback. Bernie kept his boat at Wilson harbor. canandaiqua lake was a factory for breeding charter captains. most of them packed up and went north also. the one I liked the most was Bill Kelly. good man. no problem getting a few tips from. he was a disable vet from viet nam. you can see we have a lot of history right here in our finger lakes. its a shame it gets bad mouth by fisherman today because they cant catch a 30 lb trout. these lake are the breeding ground for good fisherman. not lake Ontario.

I had about 20 pine valley spoons. they caught fish but the finish didn't last. 2 mph worked best for me. miller spoons were the best. nobody could beat his silver plating. I liked his flashers too. I bought them from him off his boat when he had a slip at roys marina. he was very good man to deal with. another good one the book didn't mention was, swan spoons. Don swan. he also sold his spoons off his boat too on the south end of canandaquia lake when it was Clarks marina. best copper plated spoon i ever used. I think pine valley was bought out. you can see we had a lot of different spoons back when that book was popular. I bought millers for a dollar if I bought 50 or more. I bought Suttons out of a trunk of a car right at the Sampson boat launch cheap. this is real capitalism. our country today is run by aholes.

I still have my book. best book about finger lakes trout fishing 50 years ago. I cant believe how fishing has changed so much today. back 50 years, everything was a big secret. fishing rods were broom sticks. heavy reels. best spoons millers. silver plating never wore off. Sutton good too. and the best of all we had tackle shops run by fisherman that new the area not like the big box stores we have today. it was all common sense business. I still have two Victrolas left made by an old timer from Penn Yann. anybody here still remember canandaguia fishing tackle. I wish we still had that store left. Walmart bought him out. look what they sell today. rubber worms. I still have my speed net left. those were the good days. if you can get a copy don't pay a lot of money for it. last I heard some woman up in Rochester had the copy rights to print new books about 10 years ago.

look at that picture. it looks like Miami of the north. you guys have it made.

hows the ramp at Seneca lake state park on the north end. I haven't used that ramp in years. whats left that's any good on the north end. Roy's is no good for my truck camper. did the flood do any damage to the lodi ramp this year.

I don't think they plan to do the whole marina at once. I think they will dig out the marina first put in a few new post for a few boat slips and put in new floating launch ramps. I hope they can have the ramps in by April. who knows what they have planned for this place. it took them this long to do this project. who knows when they will finish it. it all depends on our weather. I know you guys don't get the kind of weather I get here here, 50 inches of snow so far.

old ramp was deeper and you could launch a 24ft wood boat with no problem. boat dock was like sampson. parking limited but if you got there early you had no problem finding a good spot. when I lived in North tonawanda 35 yrs ago I used the free ramp at ferry street, when we had a good walleye bite in the river and on the Canadian side free ramp was much better. it makes more sense now to head west to fish for walleye.

The old buffalo harbor was much better. I don't know who came up with those kind of plans for a harbor for buffalo. I think they copied plans from Ohio ramps. buffalo water front is too small for a harbor like that. best launch ramp on NY side of lake Erie is Barcelona.

if you are 63 you don't need an empire pass to launch. good for all state parks. you pay on weekends and holidays only.

This is just my opinion. some of you are worrying if you have to pay more to launch at Sampson state park. I think if you get a campsite you will be able to launch for free. if you come in and just launch. you will have to pay. The state is not selling this park and marina. they want somebody to come in with some private money to improve this place. we all know. our state is to big with two much government. we have to look to the private sector for money. I wish they could put in seasonal campsites but that will never happen during my lifetime. I don't think we will see any major changes here. its still state controlled. state parks still give us the best deal. those private parks suck.

I hope they can have the marina dug out and the floating launch ramps in by April. I hope they don't drag out this project too long.

I heard back in July they planed to start work updating the marina this year. I been coming here now for 47 years. its about time somebody got smart here and wanted to do something right. we complained about dock repairs 20 years ago. if they put money in this place long ago. we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. take a good look at New York State. its a beautiful state to live in, but the state is run by special interest. I go to a lot of state parks. they all are getting some major improvements done, the state is not paying for it. private money is paying for it. who knows how they plan to update this marina. just be glad we have a place to come and launch out boats. its going to cost us a couple dollars more to fish but who cares. you cant take it with you. I know what's going to happen here. The state will improve the campground and the marina will be run by special interest for 20 to 30 years. worst boat launch. Dunkirk ny. then buffalo harbor.