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lucky13 I never talked to a fisheries manger. what I think of them. they are very book smart. they live by the fisheries book. and my opinon there like a college professor. when you get done talking to them you won't have any brains left to think. do you remember that pacific herring bait we had up on Lake Ontario. good tough bait. the best bait for brining. one slab would last all day. did they get political with that bait. they said that bait carried a virus that could kill king salmon. anybody believe that BS was probably from another galaxy. that bait was taken away from the fisherman. then they sold the Atlantic herring for a few years. then we had the sawbelly left to use. good bait but not as tough like the herring. I wonder where they got the sawbelly from. our finger lakes or Great Lakes. I will tell you one thing. commercial sowbellies are a lot better brining yourself than catching them yourself and brining. commercial ones come brined but they still need more brining to get them perfect. its been over 8 years since I bought a case of commercial brined sawbellies. my receipt fell apart. the ink wore off the receipt. I only have two packs left. I didn't major in biology when I was in school. all I know. when we have a disease it dies when we die. don't you think its the same for fish also. brining only cures the bait and make it tough. my sawbellies are 5 times harder than the commercial ones I buy. last case cost me 40 dollars. I think its double now. don't worry about the moderator. I think he's pretty level headed here. my kind of guy.

lucky13 your post makes me laugh. do you fish or pretend you are a fisherman posting on a fishing board. for your information I'm a true sportsman. what I'm worried about here is people like you that have no clue what you are talking about. one thing I agree with you; taking bait to a man made pond and using it. I would never use it there. No such thing as under brine bait. where did you get that information from. pike roam all of the Great Lakes and we have them in our finger lakes too. have the pike destroyed our lakes. disease that get in our lakes is caused by man not some fisherman using brine bait. man pollutes everything on this earth. not some fisherman using brine bait. its human nature today to screw the little guy to death because most of them are to stupid to know whats going on. like I said this bait law sucks. it put most of our small tackle shops out of business. years ago we had small shops all over selling live bait and tackle and we didn't have all the problems we have today. our government allowed this dumping into our lakes thats why we have these problems. only bait I use is certified brine sowbellies thats it. you cary my receipt for me.

Lake trout are good eating. they break down pretty fast when you throw it in the cooler. bleed it and pack it in ice right away. 20 inches is the biggest one I will keep for dinner. bake it in tin foil over coals. they melt in my mouth. up to 23 inches. I smoke them. any thing bigger. I throw back in the lake.

The dec made a political mess out of the bait business in New York state. if you get caught violating any bait law you will pay a fine. the system stinks its out to get you. govern yourself use common sense. yes you can use any bait that comes out of the same lake you caught it from. don't take it to fish another lake. if you want to use dead bait buy it brined. you can buy brined sowbellies buy the case. I don't keep my receipt. a case will last a long time. I don't let them know I use it. keep it out of sight. no harm fishing with brine bait. you buy minnows. you better have your receipt.

You will never get down to 100ft with 2 onces of lead drifting. you need wire line and 12 to 16 ounces of lead to drift light wind on Seneca. if you want to fish with 2 ounces of lead. you have to anchor your boat. fishing with live bait is very good way to fish for trout. why use live bait. dead bait is better. try using a quick fish, flat fish. peanut , apex or dry drifting with any kine of dead bait. buying a bucket of live fresh sawbilles is very expensive.

how many fishing license you need that depends where you fish. if you fish pa, you only need a pa license. if you fish the Indian reservation you only need an Indian license. New York license only cover about 3 miles of the reservoir. Best time to fish this place is during the early spring on the Indian side of it. some fishing during late spring in pa fishing the channel. July is for the party boaters. you want my opinion. go fish Lake Erie for walleye.

Pap I didn’t think your pineapple post was funny. I agree with you 100 percent. We banned DDT yrs ago in the united state because it was very toxic. We should’ve banned it from the face of the earth. We turned around and sold it to other countries around the world. They use it now to spray on their crops and sell the product back to us. Our big chemical companies control all the chemicals in the world today. Big one now is the GMO. They are just starting to seep into the earth. Special interest groups have a big hold on the media today. They won’t tell the American people the real truth because our media is controlled by the democrat party. Why do you think we have a lot of cancer? 100 yrs ago a man and woman looked very thin. Today they look big and round because of all the chemicals and food growth hormones they put in our beef and chickens. We don’t feed our animals the natural way anymore we fatten them up with chemicals. A lot of people today mostly rural are growing their own fruit and vegetables and raising their own beef and chickens.

Gill-T The daily messenger is fake news. 95 percent of the media in the United States is controlled by the democrat party. they control the EPA and the FDA. our lakes didn't become polluted by climate change and coal usage. they got polluted by people from the EPA that didn't do their job. you can blame the special interest here. my opinion Canandaigua got polluted by to much development and over populated boat usage. we can blame farm run off too. years ago we sprayed DDT. this ran into the lake and we needed a fish consumption law. LT over 25 inches eat one per month. I release the bigger fish and keep the little fish 15 to 20 inches to eat. they havent killed me yet. you cant beat finger lakes trout. they melt in my mouth. I love them backed and smoked. best eating in the world. Seneca lake fish are safer to eat. I eat the small fish here also. they haven't killed me yet. we cant find any water on our planet that has clean safe water. man polluted everything. I won't listen to articles like this. I use common sense on everything I do today. screw the media.

This is old news. I laugh at this far left propaganda. these people that write these articles are lost out in left field. most of them believe in their BS. these people won't tell us the real truth. they get paid to spread the BS around. you think I listen to this crap. the air I breath, the water I drink, the food I eat and the list goes on and on. the food we get from the super market is killing us not the fish we get from our fishing hole. I eat finger lakes trout. I don't eat them everyday. trout from Seneca won't kill you. fake news is killing you. go out enjoy you sport. catch lots of fish and if you want to eat a few. go ahead. turn off the fake news. people are brain dead today because of it.

fishing sampson from the wall can be tough. never fish it when the water is clear. fish it when the water is cloudy. Seneca is a bait tank lol.

I learned years ago never listen to fishing reports. most of them aren't true and the better fisherman keep quiet. full time job can cut into a fishing business. you cant live on a charter business here. your full time job is more important. I wanted to have a charter boat on Seneca 30 years ago but my RR job stopped me from doing it. now that I'm retired and have all the time now to fish 24 hours a day retirement changed my lifestyle.

If I had a charter boat at Sampson. I would try to lure in some of the tourist that come and go every day. I cant make no money by letting my boat sit. I have to be a little creative. start out by lowering my price to help lure my people I want to take out. offer a different style of fishing. if they want to pull copper, let them do that. offer night fishing for trout with live bait or Jig for them with our modern day fish finders at night under the lights or troll for them during the day. there is some limited perch fishing during the warmer months but thats hit and miss. tough racket.

This lake is not dying. seneca lake has gone down a little but nothing like I saw back in the late 60s and early 70s due to lamprey kill and high pesticides from agriculture run off. The water quality has good down quite a bid today from more agriculture coming to the area years ago. hog farms and the return of more wineries. I think its time the EPA get to work here and start enforcing better water quality for Seneca and all finger lakes. I think the DEC should put the lake trout limit back to 3 fish limit again and return the fishing rod limit to 2 poles per man again. have you notice the decline too since they passed these two political laws from our liberal governor just to get more votes. we can't blame the Dec for high number of lamprey again. blame Mother Nature for bad weather when they want to apply the treatments. I havent fished Seneca much the last 2 years due to other interest but plan to get back again this spring and fish it hard. no way this lake is dying. I hope we can get our marina updated soon. we sure need it. lets get the road paved too. I still laugh at all the money they wasted for 10 high class cabins they could have used the money for other park projects. what we need here is Donald Trump lets make sampson beautful again. you can have those toxic dumps Great Lakes.

if you like your site. mail it back to them right away. you have nothing to loose. something is going on here. I hope its for the better. every time we see changes it cost all of us more money to enjoy what we love to do.

I thought the state owns the marina. it looks like the state is trying to get out of this marina mess they have created here from no maintance over the years. it sounds to me they have sold this place off to special interest. if they are trying to nogatiate a lease. we have a new owner here. 10 dollar fee to park a car. who knows whats in store for people who launch their boats here.

I clean mine out in the middle of lake too. I don’t feel guilty about it. Its much easier on me than fooling around with newspaper and no water to clean them up on shore. Fish guts are biodegradable. They sink to the bottom of lake and other fish clean them up. Our great lakes are toxic dumps. All trout and walleye eat gobys. I haven’t heard of any fisherman dying from eating our fish from our lakes yet. Do I hear anybody complaining about our toxic weed pods floating on the lake and washing up on shore. This crap stinks and very toxic. Where does this crap come from. Agriculture run off. Do I here anybody complaining about our chemicals sprayed on our crops around the lake . This stuff runs off the land right into the lake. You give me a nice fish cleaning station at our boat ramps and I will bring what little fish I keep for myself back to shore. Fish guts pollute our lake. Lol. This what happens when people watch to much fake news and watch TV programing from the far left. They forgot how to think

Lineman 49 I was surprised how much they changed the area. It looks much better than the old buffalo harbor we had years ago. I fished out of the old marina during the 70s. The area was old school. I had good times there. I got sick of it and moved west to Barcelona, much better fishing. I agree the old marina was much better. Get a season pass for launching and I could launch all I want. Old ramp was big and deep. You could launch 25 ft boats with the old ramp. The new marina is to high class for me. I live to far away now to fish that part of Lake Erie. I go to Barcelona now. When I lived in Tonawanda back in the 70s I used the free ramp at Ferry Street. Came up the river fish the fish market or go over on the Canadian side to fish for walleye. You need two fishing license if you fish the river. Caught hundreds of walleye at Waverly shoals back during the 70s. It’s cheaper now for me to drag my gear down to the Finger Lakes 2 hour drive. The marina at Sampson is still old school yet. Most of the old guys I meet here have passed on. This place is changing now. I see something big coming here. Who knows when we get it? Like you said they want it their way. This place sucks now from Friday to late Sunday. Only time to fish now, Monday till Thursday. Boat sits on the trailer during weekends. I let the experts use the lake. This lake looks like the Daytona 500 on weekends.

What we need is fish cleaning stations around our state parks. A two dollar tax on our fishing license would help pay for the stations. I’m mostly a catch and release fisherman. Once in awhile I will bring back a few fish that I know won’t stay alive when I release it. I take the head off gut it out leave the skin on and throw it in the cooler with ice to help keep it fresh. The head and guts go in the lake over deep water. It makes no since to bring dead fish back to the campground clean it and throw the guts in the dumpster on a hot day. The dumpster will stink draw rodents and coons to it. A fish cleaning station makes more since than a crazy law like this. This law started back during the 70s when our sports fishing were booming along Lake Erie and Ontario. Our sportsman clubs lobbied for a fish cleaning law to help control the fisherman who cleaned their fish out on the lake. If these people lobbied for a fish cleaning stations. 99 percent would bring their catch back with them and clean them right at the station. No law just common sense fishing.

The buffalo small boat harbor is run by the Niagara transportation authority. They sucked the taxpayers dry for their new harbor. They tried to copy the same setup they have down in western Ohio now around Port Clinton. Buffalo waterfront is too small to have a harbor like that. I hope the city of Geneva use a little common sense if they do decide to build a new marina. Keep it small about 50 slips. My wife and I use the walking trail all the time when we are here.

It’s a dirty shame the state is letting the Sampson marina rust away. We need state money here. Yesterday they had a ribbon cutting ceremony for their new high class cabins they just built here. I didn’t go to the ceremony my wife did. They had all the big shots there promoting their new cabins. I’m glad I didn’t go. They would have thrown me out. I would let them all know how I feel about wasting 3 million of our money on new cabins we don’t need here when the rest of the park needs major repair money to upgrade this place. I guess we can expect this kind of thinking when we have a bunch of morons from the left spending our money. We need a new way of thinking in New York State. The Geneva water front is city money. So far I think they have done a very nice job trying to improve their waterfront. Do we really need a new marina when they have one up there now? They need something big to draw a lot of people to the area. This lake needs a marina half way down the lake. My wife did say something to them about the Sampson marina. They said they are trying to do something about the Sampson problem. they sure are trying when they just spent 3 million on 10 new cabins. The friend of Sampson was there too. 25 years now we have been trying to get state money to improve this marina. It’s still rusting away in very deplorable condition. 3 million could have gone a long way around here updating this park like roads new stone in the camping area tree cutting and improvements around the campground.

Who knows what caused this accident here. It could be an overloaded trailer. I see a lot of undersized trailers on the road today. Boat dealers sell undersized trailers all the time to help keep the cost down. Buying an undersized trailer is the worst thing you can put under your boat. You are looking for trouble. Be leave me I see a lot of them on the road today. I oversize my trailer one thousand pounds. First thing you must know. The weight of you boat when its empty. Then the weight of your motor and kicker if you use one. Add the weight of your gas with a full tank and all your gear for the boat. If your trailer is rated for 3 thousand pounds and you boat load is close to this number. Your trailer will handle this load for a few years. But over time your trailer will began to weaken a little. One way to look for trailer problems. Look at your tires. If they show abnormal ware on them. This is a warning. Most boaters over look this. Its an accident waiting to happen. Spend the extra dollars for an over size trailer. Your money ahead. I don’t think broken springs caused this accident. It so easy to spot broken springs. Look on the side of one. You can see them broken. The trailer spring u bolt is the part you must check once a year. If its loose tighten it or replace it. Check the bolt on top of it. Broken u bolts cause broken trailer springs. You have to check them. Go to a truck stop with your boat and get it weighed. You might be a little surprised to see how much weight you are overloaded.

What we need here is Donald Trump. This guy knows how to do business. He would get us a nice marina and campground for under budget and built on time. Those two woman that came here have no idea whats going on. These two woman like to talk.

All this place needs is a little dredging minor patch up around the marina and weed control and we could bring back the boaters. People have complained about the conditions of this marina now for 25 years. The state could care less. They drove out the boaters here. I use to keep my boat here too. The slip on the far north west corner. It sits now empty with weeds and a rotten dock. Who do you blame. Not the people that keep their boats here. The state. The slip you have your boat in now has change owners about 3 times the last 25 years. We saw this problem coming. Nothing got done about it because nobody cares. This is the best area on the lake to have a nice marina. We have some of the best fishing on the lake too. You don’t have to travel very far to find fish. A lake this size needs a marina in its mid section. We have the campground to bring in the people too. Fix the marina and boaters will come back and rent a slip. The campground is going down the same road too. This area needs a lot of money. Look what they did. Build 10 high class cabins so the people can come from all around the state to sip a little wine here. We sure have a bunch of stupid politicians in our state. All they know is tax the balls off the people. I had a post up about Allegheny state park with all the money they put in this park. There not done yet. They plan to put in over 10 million to dredge red house lake and build a new dam there too. This is tax payers money. What kind of money do they draw there to justify the cost for this project. Just campers. Somebody is playing politics here. Its time we all wake up and take a good look at all of them. If other areas of the state can get money we should too. A marina and campground pays for itself.