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Like I said you have to have confidence in what your set up is. My suggestion is to start with something that is in the 500+ range what I shoot is over kill for deer but it got to a point where I was building heavier and heavier and I just liked how it shot and stayed where I am. There is no perfect set up but having a arrow that can do the dirty work when things go wrong is worth all of the confidence in the world. I have tested lots of different set ups and what I shoot is what works for me. I know I'm not a perfect shot 100% of the time no one is so I chose to shoot a arrow that can't increase my odds when the odds ball thing happens. If shooting as the ranch fairy puts it "kid arrows " is what works for you do so. If shooting "adult arrows" is what you want to do do that. You have to do what works for you and what you have confidence in. The hunting public and the ranch fairy are great things to watch its real world and both crews explain why they are doing what they do. I was doing this before I knew about the ranch fairy and someone told me about it and he just confirmed what I had already found found out my self. Sent from my SM-G781U using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I fell down the rabbit hole along time ago. I never really got in to the speed arrow set up and never truly understood it. I currently am shooting a 400 spine with a total arrow wight just south of 800 grains. I machine my own incerts and hunt with and shoot a single bevel broad heads that are 200 grain. Once you shoot and tune a heavy foc stiff arrow you won't turn back. My bow is virtually silent and the kinetic energy at the point of impact is stunning. I shoot broadheads all the time and just sharpen them. In practice you will see that you will start blowing threw "broadhead" targets. Down side of the heavy arrow set up is the reduction in range. But I think the limitation I. Range is worth the confidence in knowing that you have a arrow that can do the work you need it to do regardless of what bone it hits. My honest opinion is the ranch fairy and the hunting public guys are spot on with their set ups. And once you get over a reduction in speed you will never look back. A Honda fit going 60 mph does alot less damage to a house if it drives In to it than a milk tanker going 40 mph. Kind of the analogy I use when explaining my set up. Also many times when hitting a deer the animals reaction is completely different. You will get a complete pass threw the deer will know something happened run a few steps and then just walk away and die. I also have noticed that their is alot less deflection when shooting threw light grass or small brush when practicing. Not that I condone taking poor shots threw brush but things happen in the real world and I do practice shooting in real world conditions. Sent from my SM-G781U using Lake Ontario United mobile app

My experience is after the spawn for lake trout going deep is usually better. Thermalcline fishing becomes nonexistent after a while. I'm not sure how long in to the fall you plan to fish but often times for me deeper is better more stable for lake trout. As for silvers spoons ran in threw out water column and in front of river mouths are always productive. Sent from my SM-G781U using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Fished yesterday and they are sticking to everything time for heavy mono lines on the riggers any small diameter lines were getting covered and plugging rod eye's. Sent from my SM-T727A using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Good to hear from you Dale. I didn't mean to hijack your thread in any way. I just am a firm believer in full pass threw shots no matter what. I think that alot of people worry to much about speed now instead of shooting arrows that are tough enough to do the job that we expect them to. Everything changes with heavy arrows. The deer even react completely different when hit with a heavy arrow. Bows are more silent there are so many benefits that are over looked just to gain 20 or 30 ft per second. I also don't like that alot of people were taught by others to aim back to stay away from the front shoulder because arrows were not designed to make contact with bone and that has lead to alot of 1 lung and maybe liver at best shots. Shooting a heavy arow set up with a tough solid broadhead gives you the ability to tuck right in to the shoulder with the confidence that if something goes wrong you have the ability to split shoulder bones and still enter the most leathal part of the chest cavity closest to the heart. It's all knowing your limitations not Shooting out side of them and having a arrow that is designed to do the dirty work when something un expected happens. I'd be interested in the GPS on my arrow. Sent from my SM-T727A using Lake Ontario United mobile app

This concept I'm my opinion would be great if your arrow stayed in the animal. However in my opinion if your arrows are not passing threw the animals I believe you should really re evaluate the arrows and broad heads that you are using. I'm a firm believer in the Ashby tests and have been shooting heavy Foc arrows for years with solid fixed blade broad heads. The whole supper speed arrow craze in my opinion really did absolutely nothing for bow hunting. Shoot heavy bone splitting arrows shoot to kill not for a blood trail. Sent from my KYOCERA-E6920 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Anyone have any good starting points for some silvers on Cayuga. Can't seem to get threw the lake trout to pick some up. Fishing through out the hole water colomn and still grabbing Lakers. Mostly fishing north end of the lake but willing to travel. Been picking Lakers way out of temp and way out of normal laker speed. Thanks in advance tight lines folks Sent from my KYOCERA-E6920 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Thanks. Kind of the same path I'm heading running it behind a big paddle to give it more action. Thanks again for the input. Sent from my KYOCERA-E6920 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Wondering if anyone has ever run a fly set up with teaser's. Basically running a meat rig but having a fly instead of the meat set up. I tie my own fly's so have the material but never see this setup being used. Before I waist my time is there a reason? I can't see a reason it wouldn't work. Just looking for something to play around with. Thanks. Sent from my KYOCERA-E6920 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Does anyone or has anyone ever run a standard fly rig with teaser's. Basically running a meat rig but instead of the meat head and meat strip using a Fly instead. Just a curious if anyone has had success with this set up. Something to play with on slow days. thanks Sent from my KYOCERA-E6920 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Again thanks for your insight. Yes not interested in catching the fresh stocked browns. Sent from my KYOCERA-E6920 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Sorry thank you Les. Not Seth I just re read my post. Sent from my KYOCERA-E6920 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Thanks guys I've caught a fair amount of them trolling during the day but it's always kind of a surprise. And I'm looking for a chalange or maybe a way to target them specificly. I understand the temps and also know fishing the fingers is a whole different ball game than fishing lake Ontario. Thanks Seth. I always look forward to your opinions on topics. And also thanks Nick with I respect you giving up info knowing it can effect your business publicly sharing your secrets. Tite line guys and all of the luck to you this season Sent from my KYOCERA-E6920 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Any one out there have any tips for catching browns on Cayuga as the season progresses. I catch them on here and there but can hardly say I have a pattern figure out for them. Not looking for any secret spots but more general patterns. And spoon/ plug / flasher fly options. I know boat shyness comes more in to play and I have all the toys to combat that. I also have the understanding of temps. I just never have been able to put together a productive brown program. Thanks alot and Tite lines Sent from my KYOCERA-E6920 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I don't believe there is. There is a big tournament the weekend before. And Bear usally has his summer tournament mid July. Sent from my KYOCERA-E6920 using Lake Ontario United mobile app