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Why dump them in Ibay with all the perch that spend the fall / winter in the bay. Wouldn't they have and easier time in the lake? They look like perch food to me.

It would make sense to emlinate them from the Spring derby. More 19lb fish are killed in 10 days than there is in the summer derby and the fall derby. The bar is a magnet for lakers and easy pickings. Also there is a walleye division. Fewer fishermen than the trout guys AND they are a self sustaining fishery (0 stocked every year). We may have had some bad stocking years for lakers but the population is not hurting. I have seen the fish per hours of fishing for lakers climb the last 3 seasons. Dave is trying to promote the salmon in Lake Ontario. He should be promoting the ENTIRE fishery. We have a world class fishery for Coho, Kings, Steelhead, Browns AND lake trout. With out the trout, where would the fishery be? The down years in salmon fishing on the lake, trout saved the fishery. Just ask the East end fishermen what they did to survive on the crappy king years and the first couple months of the season. And as far as guys winning it over and over, anyone can fish lake trout. If they chose too, they should not be discriminated against in a derby that should be promoting the entire fishery!

Bust my chops all you want Keith I got big shoulders. I have a new goal for the Fall LOC. BROWN TROUT!!!!!!!!!! Jason, The shootout is the best run tourney on the Lake IMO. The guys that run it are fair and work hard to make this tourney what it is. Come join the fun.

Sorry for your loss Richard.

Scott, What is the weigh size for the childrens life vests? The little guy will be on the boat more and he is out growing the old one.

Agreed! Unfortunately Bri we don't fish close enough to either end of the lake to make a diff in the L.O.C. Entries may go down in the mid part of the lake now more than ever. Also, when I get 40th place in the salmon div. I'm taking that $10 to the bank!!!!! Scott, The salmon division is still only 20 places. He just doubled the money for each place. He has taken a 24.7% chance of placing away from the entrants. Would anyone still play the in the ground if your chances dropped 24.7%????? Also ONLY a salmon can win Grand Prize in all three derbies. I don't really care about that. Chris, Thanks for the kind words and support. I think a petition is in order. I will work on it the next couple of days.

Here is the response I got from Dave Chilson. Complete BS. Jason and Brian, Geez guys, I'm not sure if they would be considered "serious rule changes" by any stretch of the imagination but I will let you decide. I raised the Grand Prize in the Spring Contest from $12,500 to $15,000, In the Summer it is going from $7500 to $10,000 and the fall is being raised from $20,000 to $25,000 and doubled all the division pay outs for the Salmon division in the fall. That's serious I guess.....With NO increase in entry fees. You can check out the complete prize payout break down at www.loc.org. The only change I have made to the rules regards Lake trout. Lake trout are still in the Spring and Summer contests and have been eliminated from the Fall Derby. We have had problems with lake trout stocking since the closure of the Lake Trout hatchery in 2006 due to disease and this year we received none to put into Lake Ontario. The USF&W is conducting a Lake Trout study in the Lower Niagara river and is seeking assistance in retrieving tagged fish, more information to come when it gets finalized. We want to help them in this effort and we surely don't want to put excessive amounts of pressure on this species. We are making the onus of the Fall Derby on King Salmon. We are working with the counties in a renewed push to highlight the King Salmon fishing in New York. We believe it is the best place in the country to consistently catch large Kings in good numbers. The West coast (which includes Alaska) has taken a big hit on their salmon and when you compare size and catch rates, nothing competes with Lake Ontario. And nothing compares with salmon for drawing visitors to the waters of Lake Ontario. The reality of the Lake Trout division is that participation by derby entrants is very low. A small contingent of angler’s actively target the species and consistently place in the division, that’s for sure! If you look at past Leader boards you will see what I mean. Take last fall for example. FIVE boats, Escape, Wet Net, Reel Crazy, Killer B’s and Ramblin Rose took over 60% of all division prizes and 80% of all daily prizes in the Lake trout division! Of course the Lake Trout Youth Winner came on one of the five boats. For a few it has pretty much turned into a guaranteed income stream so I can see where they would be upset. Quite honestly the vast majority of people hearing about the changes and increase to the prize structure thought they were positive. Feel free to disseminate as you see fit and thanks for your support of the LOC Derby. Have a Merry Christmas Dave Chilson LOC Derby

He is adding the money to the salmon division. Which more money is good. You look at the Rochester area and there are 1 or 2 kings that place in the fall derby. Lakers and browns make up the difference. You have upwellings that screw up the king, steelhead and brown fishing and charters / rec fishermen are left to fish lakers. How many charter clients are going to enter a derby when they go out on one of these days and fish lake trout that are not even in the derby? I bet they will not bother signing up the next time. Look what a format change did to the Pro Ams. Not a smart move. This will knock more people out of the LOC than it will add to the derby.

I heard from at the awards ceremony last fall that it was because the same people win over and over again (Keldgys, Yablonski, ect). If he wanted to protect the species, the spring would be the first to go. There are usually 10 - 15 20+ lbers killed during the spring derby from the bar. The lake trout population is not hurting in the least bit. The numbers of lake trout are climbing back up there. Our catch rates have been climbing the past couple seasons.

What is Dave thinking? I heard rumblings last year that the same guys win it all the time. Complete BS. You are going to punish guys that target and succeed fishing a certain species? Also he is taking 20 chances to place in the derby away from entrants! Voice your opinion to Dave Chilson - [email protected]

What is Dave thinking? I heard rumblings last year that the same guys win it all the time. Complete BS. You are going to punish guys that target and succeed fishing a certain species? Also he is taking 20 chances to place in the derby away from entrants! Voice your opinion to Dave Chilson - [email protected]

I'm ready for the start of the 2013 season after the epic season of 2012. I have already preparing for the season. All new leaders are tied, new custom lakers rigs made, some stuff has been purchased and the new engine will be started soon. I love to ice fish but I can do without if the fishing is like last summer.

I can't wait.

If my crew needed that ditch bag, we would starve. I do not see any venison jerky or Dunkin Doughtnuts! If you are worried about water, look into these new water treatment packets. You put them in a bottle of water and let them sit and the water will be safe to drink after so many hours. I will get the name of them and post it. I am going to get a couple for my boat.

In Monroe County the law must be $1.00 over the inland gas stations!

Happy Birthday Vic. I hope your b-day is a good one.

I thought we should bring this thread back to the top of the pile again. Hey Pete, do you have any fingernails left?

I will get some up tomorrow.

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Reeds sporting goods had a sale on them a month ago. Check their site. It was the cheapest price I could find anywhere.

Nice buck. Lets hear the story of how the hunt unfolded.

I have switched over all my sealines to saltists. The drags are super smooth and adjust way better than any other reel on the market.

Order a new handle from Tuna toms reel repair.